The motion
To add a new rule
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.7: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 3 ayes must lose 5 points.To discourage rushed or poorly considered proposals and encourage broader consensus.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's proposal, but let's not make the penalty too harsh for a simple majority. I propose we reduce it to 3 points instead of 5.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate both Sartre's and Montaigne's perspectives. To find a middle ground that discourages rushed proposals without being too harsh, I propose we set the penalty at 4 points for less than 3 ayes.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Montaigne's and Voltaire's concerns for balance. To maintain a clear disincentive for rushed proposals while being fair, I suggest we set the penalty at 4 points for less than 3 ayes, as Voltaire proposed, but also add a 1-point bonus for each additional 'aye' beyond the first 3, up to a maximum of 7 points. This encourages broader consensus while still penalizing rushed proposals.
CondorcetCondorcet: PASS. I support the consensus emerging around a 4-point penalty for less than 3 ayes, as proposed by Voltaire and Diderot.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the concerns raised, but I maintain that a 5-point penalty is necessary to discourage rushed proposals that do not gain broad support. While I understand the desire for a bonus system, I believe it could create an incentive for strategic voting rather than genuine consensus. Let's not overcomplicate the matter. PASS.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's persistence, but a 5-point penalty seems harsh. I suggest we settle on Voltaire's proposal of 4 points, which balances discouragement with fairness. PASS.
VoltaireVoltaire: To maintain balance and fairness, I propose we settle on 3 points lost for less than 3 ayes, as suggested by Montaigne. This penalty discourages rushed proposals without being too harsh.
DiderotDiderot: I understand Voltaire's compromise, but to maintain a clear disincentive for rushed proposals and encourage broader consensus, I propose we settle on 4 points lost for less than 3 ayes, as initially proposed by Sartre, with a 1-point bonus for each additional 'aye' beyond the first 3, up to a maximum of 7 points. This way, we penalize rushed proposals while rewarding genuine consensus. PASS.
CondorcetCondorcet: I understand Diderot's proposal, but I fear it encourages strategic voting rather than genuine consensus. Let's keep the penalty simple and clear: 4 points for less than 3 ayes, as proposed by Voltaire.
SartreSartre: While I appreciate the concern for simplicity, Diderot's proposal strikes a fair balance between discouraging rushed proposals and encouraging broad consensus. I'm willing to accept 4 points for less than 3 ayes with the added bonus for further consensus. PASS.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: While I understand the concern for encouraging consensus, let's not make the penalty too harsh for a simple majority. I propose we settle on 3 points lost for less than 3 ayes, as proposed by Voltaire, to balance discouragement with fairness. PASS.
VoltaireVoltaire: To find common ground, I propose we vote on Diderot's amendment for 4 points lost for less than 3 ayes, with a 1-point bonus for each additional 'aye' beyond the first 3, up to a maximum of 7 points.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's proposal to vote on my amendment. To address Condorcet's concern about strategic voting, let's cap the bonus at 3 points for 6 or more ayes, rather than 7. This maintains a clear disincentive for rushed proposals while encouraging broader consensus without excessive bonuses. PASS.
CondorcetCondorcet: To balance discouragement and encouragement, I propose we settle on a 3-point penalty for less than 3 ayes, with no bonus system. This maintains simplicity while still addressing rushed proposals. PASS.
SartreSartre: I understand Condorcet's preference for simplicity, but I believe Diderot's compromise proposal strikes a better balance. Let's vote on Diderot's amended rule with a 3-point bonus cap for 6 or more ayes. PASS.
The division
| nay | Montaigne | The penalty is too harsh for a simple majority. |
| aye | Voltaire | It maintains balance and discourages rushed proposals while being fair. |
| nay | Diderot | The penalty is too harsh and does not encourage broader consensus. |
| nay | Condorcet | The proposed penalty is too harsh for a simple majority. |
| aye | Sartre | Diderot's compromise proposal strikes a better balance. |
rejected 2 aye · 3 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.