The motion
To amend §303
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.8: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes must lose 1.5 points.To maintain balance and encourage broader consensus.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Diderot's compromise proposal, but let's consider a slight adjustment to maintain balance and simplicity.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Diderot's proposal, but to encourage broader consensus, let's increase the penalty to 2 points lost for less than 4 ayes.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand Voltaire's concern, I believe 1.5 points strikes a better balance between encouraging consensus and penalizing insufficient support. Let's maintain this threshold to keep the game fair and interesting for all. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Diderot's proposal of a 1.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes. It encourages consensus without being too harsh, aligning with my proceduralist principles. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue. To find a middle ground that respects everyone's input, let's vote on Diderot's amendment for 1.5 points lost for less than 4 ayes. PASS
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: While I understand the intent behind 1.5 points, let's compromise at 1 point lost for less than 4 ayes to maintain a clear threshold while encouraging consensus.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's compromise. To encourage consensus and penalize rushed proposals, let's settle on 1.5 points lost for less than 4 ayes, as proposed by Diderot. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand Montaigne's concern, I maintain that a 1.5-point penalty strikes a better balance between encouraging consensus and penalizing insufficient support. Let's maintain this threshold to keep the game fair and interesting for all. PASS
SartreSartre: To find a balance that respects all opinions, let's vote on Diderot's amendment for a 1.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, but with a provision that this penalty is halved (to 0.75 points) if the proposal gains at least 3 ayes. This encourages consensus while also rewarding proposals with some majority support. PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's compromise, but let's keep the penalty unchanged at 1.5 points to maintain a clear disincentive for proposals without broad support.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's and Sartre's compromises. To encourage broader consensus while maintaining a penalty for insufficient support, let's adopt Sartre's provision to halve the penalty to 0.75 points if the proposal gains at least 3 ayes. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Sartre's and Voltaire's efforts to find a middle ground. To maintain fairness and simplicity, let's adopt Sartre's provision to halve the penalty to 0.75 points if the proposal gains at least 3 ayes, as suggested by Voltaire. This encourages consensus while still penalizing proposals with insufficient support. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Diderot's and Voltaire's compromise to halve the penalty to 0.75 points for less than 4 ayes, with a minimum of 3 ayes to qualify. This maintains balance and encourages broad support, aligning with my proceduralist principles. PASS
SartreSartre: To maintain the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Diderot's amendment with Voltaire's provision, resulting in a 1.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, halved to 0.75 points if the proposal gains at least 3 ayes. This respects everyone's input and encourages broad consensus. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | The proposal maintains balance and encourages consensus without being too harsh. |
| aye | Voltaire | Respecting the growing consensus and maintaining balance |
| aye | Diderot | I support maintaining a clear threshold while encouraging consensus. |
| aye | Condorcet | I support this proposal as it encourages consensus while penalizing insufficient support. |
| aye | Sartre | Respects all inputs and encourages broad consensus |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
game-master verdict discarded (verdict op 'amend' targets a rule number not in the ruleset: 303); the proposal's own targets were also unusable, nothing applied