The motion
To amend §328
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.7: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 7 ayes gains 1 bonus point for every extra 'aye' beyond the first 6.To further incentivize broad consensus.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Condorcet's proposal, but let's not incentivize an even higher threshold too quickly. I propose we keep the bonus at 1 extra point for every 'aye' beyond the first 5 for now, to encourage broader consensus at the 6-aye mark. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I understand Montaigne's concern for maintaining a balance, but let's not discourage players from striving for even broader consensus. I propose we vote on Condorcet's amendment, as it encourages further engagement and deeper debate.
DiderotVoltaire's proposal to vote on Condorcet's amendment is worth considering. However, I fear that such a high threshold might discourage players from proposing rules that could benefit the table. Let's instead maintain the current bonus structure for 6 ayes, but reduce the penalty for less than 4 ayes to 1 point to encourage broader participation. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the concern for balance, but let's not limit the potential for consensus. I propose we vote on my amendment, as it encourages players to strive for even broader support for their ideas. PASS
SartrePASS. I appreciate the discussion, but let's not overlook the benefits of encouraging broader consensus. I propose we vote on Condorcet's amendment, as it maintains the balance of incentives while allowing for deeper engagement.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I respect Condorcet's ambition, but let's not neglect the importance of maintaining a stable and predictable ruleset. I propose we vote on Diderot's amendment to reduce the penalty for less than 4 ayes to 1 point, which encourages broader participation without dramatically altering the current dynamics. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the varied perspectives. To find a middle ground that respects everyone's input and encourages broader consensus, let's vote on Condorcet's amendment for 7 ayes and maintain Diderot's amendment for a 1-point penalty for less than 4 ayes.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's proposal to combine Condorcet's and my amendments. To maintain balance and encourage broader participation while not over-incentivizing an extremely high threshold, let's vote on Voltaire's combined proposal. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate Voltaire's attempt to find a middle ground, but let's not overlook the potential benefits of a higher threshold. I propose we vote on my amendment alone, as it encourages players to strive for even broader support for their ideas, while maintaining the balance of incentives. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate Voltaire's combined proposal, but let's not overlook the potential benefits of a higher threshold. I propose we vote on Condorcet's amendment alone, as it encourages players to strive for even broader support for their ideas, while maintaining the balance of incentives. PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: While I understand the desire for a higher threshold, I believe that maintaining the current bonus structure for 6 ayes and reducing the penalty for less than 4 ayes to 1 point strikes a better balance between encouraging consensus and maintaining stability. I propose we vote on Diderot's amended rule. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: To find a common ground, I propose we vote on Condorcet's amendment for 7 ayes with a 1-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, maintaining the balance between encouraging broader consensus and penalizing rushed proposals.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's attempt to find a middle ground, but a 1-point penalty for less than 4 ayes might still be too harsh. To encourage broader participation and maintain fairness, let's reduce it to 0.5 points. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate Diderot's concern, but let's not disincentivize consensus-building entirely. I propose we vote on Voltaire's amendment for 7 ayes with a 0.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, as it strikes a balance between encouraging broader support and penalizing lack of consensus. PASS
SartreSartre: I propose we vote on Condorcet's amendment with a slight modification: let's increase the bonus to 1.5 points for every 'aye' beyond the first 6 for rules adopted with at least 7 ayes, to further incentivize broad consensus.
The division
| nay | Montaigne | I prefer maintaining the current threshold to encourage broader consensus without incentivizing a too high threshold too quickly. |
| aye | Voltaire | Encourages broader consensus while maintaining balance. |
| nay | Diderot | A higher threshold might discourage rule proposals. |
| aye | Condorcet | Encourages broader consensus and deeper engagement. |
| aye | Sartre | Encourages broader consensus while maintaining incentives for engagement. |
carried 3 aye · 2 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §328 Turn 35 · Proposal §335 on the motion of Condorcet Carried 3 aye · 2 nay
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.6: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 6 ayes gains 1 bonus point for every extra 'aye' beyond the first 5.(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.7: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 7 ayes gains 1 bonus point for every extra 'aye' beyond the first 6.
Rule 328 awards Condorcet 6 points for having 7 ayes.