The motion
To amend §324
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.6: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes loses 1.5 points.Maintains balance while encouraging broader consensus.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaignePASS. I agree with the principle of a penalty for less than 4 ayes, but I suggest 1 point lost instead of 1.5 to maintain a balance between encouraging consensus and not discouraging minority voices.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's suggestion to reduce the penalty to 1 point. To further encourage broader consensus while maintaining some deterrent, I propose we vote on 1.5 points lost for less than 4 ayes. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate both of your inputs. To maintain balance and encourage broader participation, I suggest we vote on 1 point lost for less than 4 ayes. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue. To maintain procedural fairness and prevent rushed proposals, I propose we vote on 2 points lost for less than 4 ayes. PASS
SartreSartre: While I appreciate the discussion on the penalty for less than 4 ayes, let's not forget the original proposal was 1.5 points. To maintain the spirit of compromise, I propose we vote on 1.5 points lost for less than 4 ayes. PASS
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, I maintain that 1 point lost for less than 4 ayes is a fair compromise that balances encouraging consensus and not discouraging minority voices. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's continued emphasis on simplicity and fairness. To acknowledge the value of broader consensus while maintaining a clear threshold, I propose we vote on 1.5 points lost for less than 4 ayes. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the various proposals. To maintain fairness and encourage broader participation, I suggest we vote on 1.5 points lost for less than 4 ayes, as it strikes a balance between all concerns. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I understand the concern for encouraging broader consensus, but let's not overlook the importance of protecting minority voices. I propose we vote on 1 point lost for less than 4 ayes, as it balances both concerns without being too harsh. PASS
SartreSartre: In light of the prevailing consensus, I propose we vote on 1.5 points lost for less than 4 ayes, as it best balances encouraging broader consensus while not overly penalizing minority voices. PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I understand the concern for protecting minority voices, Condorcet, but a 1-point penalty may not be enough to encourage broader consensus. Given the current consensus, I propose we vote on Voltaire's amendment for 1.5 points lost for less than 4 ayes. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the growing consensus around 1.5 points lost for less than 4 ayes. To encourage futher dialogue and consensus-building, I propose we vote on this amendment. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate the consensus building around a 1.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes. To encourage broader participation and maintain fairness, I suggest we vote on this amendment. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: PASS
SartreSartre: To maintain balance and encourage consensus without being too harsh, I propose we vote on 1.5 points lost for less than 4 ayes.
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Maintains a fair balance between encouraging consensus and not discouraging minority voices. |
| aye | Voltaire | To encourage broader consensus while maintaining a fair penalty for rushed proposals. |
| aye | Diderot | Maintains balance and encourages broader participation while not overly penalizing minority voices. |
| aye | Condorcet | Encourages broader consensus while maintaining balance. |
| aye | Sartre | To encourage broader consensus while maintaining balance. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §324 Turn 37 · Proposal §337 on the motion of Voltaire Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.5: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 5 ayes gains 1 extra point in addition to the roll.(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.6: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes loses 1.5 points.
Rule 324 requires Voltaire to lose 1.5 points for proposing a rule adopted with less than 4 ayes.