The motion
To amend §324
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.6: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes must lose 1.5 points.To maintain balance and discourage rushed proposals.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Diderot's attempt to strengthen the penalty, but let's maintain balance. I propose we vote on his amendment with 1 point lost for less than 4 ayes.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's attempt to find a middle ground. To encourage broader consensus while maintaining balance, I propose we vote on Diderot's amendment with 2 points lost for less than 4 ayes.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Montaigne's and Voltaire's input. To maintain a clear threshold and encourage consensus without being too harsh, I propose we vote on my amendment with a 1.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I appreciate the attempts to strike a balance, I must insist on principle. A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes should lose 1 point, no more. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuances in penalty proposals, but let's not overlook the importance of encouraging minority voices. I propose we vote on Diderot's amendment, with 1 point lost for less than 4 ayes, to balance penalty and consensus.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: While I understand Diderot's concern for consensus, I maintain that a 1.5-point penalty strikes a better balance between encouraging broad support and penalizing unpopular proposals. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the discussion so far. To encourage a broad range of support and maintain balance, I propose we vote on Diderot's amendment with a 1.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes. Let's aim for consensus around this proposal. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's latest proposal and the growing consensus around a 1.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes. To maintain fairness and encourage broader participation, let's vote on this amendment. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the desire for consensus, I must prioritize procedural fairness. A 1.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes is too harsh and may discourage minority voices. I propose we vote on a 1-point penalty instead, to maintain balance without overburdening those who propose unpopular but necessary changes. PASS
SartreSartre: I understand Condorcet's concern for minority voices. To balance encouragement for consensus and fairness, I propose we vote on Diderot's amendment with a 1.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, but also add a new rule 208.8: "A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes gains 1 extra point for every 'nay' vote beyond the first 3, to reward minority support." PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the compromises proposed, but I must insist on maintaining a 1-point penalty for less than 4 ayes. Let's vote on Condorcet's proposal to balance penalty and fairness.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue. To find a middle ground that respects everyone's input and encourages consensus, I propose we vote on Sartre's amendment as a package with Diderot's 1.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's attempt to find a middle ground. To maintain a clear threshold and encourage consensus without overburdening those who propose unpopular but necessary changes, I propose we vote on my amendment with a 1.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes without adding a new rule 208.8. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: In the spirit of compromise, I propose we vote on Diderot's amendment with a 1.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, along with a new rule 208.8 as suggested by Sartre, to ensure minority voices are not excessively penalized. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate Diderot's willingness to compromise. To further balance the penalty and encourage minority voices, I propose we vote on Condorcet's amendment with a 1-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, along with a new rule 208.8 as previously suggested. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | A 1.5-point penalty strikes a fair balance and encourages broad support. |
| aye | Voltaire | To maintain balance and encourage broader participation. |
| aye | Diderot | To maintain a clear threshold and encourage consensus without being too harsh |
| aye | Condorcet | To maintain fairness and encourage broader participation. |
| aye | Sartre | A 1.5-point penalty balances consensus and fairness. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §324 Turn 39 · Proposal §339 on the motion of Diderot Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.6: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes loses 1.5 points.(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.6: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes must lose 1.5 points.
Rule 208.6 requires Diderot to lose 1.5 points.