The motion
To amend §303
(mutable) A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 3 ayes gains 5 extra points in addition to the roll.To encourage more widespread agreement while still allowing minority voices.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Diderot's attempt to find middle ground, but I remain concerned that lowering the threshold too much may encourage divisive proposals.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's concern and Diderot's effort to find a balance. I propose a compromise: let's set the threshold at 4 ayes, maintaining the encouragement for consensus while acknowledging minority voices."
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate both Montaigne's and Voltaire's concerns. To address these, I propose we set the threshold at 4 ayes, as Voltaire suggests. This encourages broad agreement while still allowing for minority-driven proposals, maintaining the spirit of cooperation and consensus that Montaigne values.
SartreSartre: I agree with Voltaire's compromise. Setting the threshold at 4 ayes encourages broad agreement while still allowing for minority-driven proposals, maintaining the spirit of cooperation and consensus that Montaigne values. I propose we adopt this amendment. PASS
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I am inclined to support Voltaire's and Diderot's compromise at 4 ayes. This threshold seems to strike the right balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for minority voices. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I am heartened by the consensus building around the threshold at 4 ayes. To further encourage consensus, I propose we also add: "(mutable) A player who proposes a rule that gains unanimous consent, in addition to the roll, gains an extra 5 points and the respect of their peers." PASS
DiderotDiderot: I support Voltaire's addition, as it further incentivizes consensus while still allowing for minority proposals. Let's adopt this amendment. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the focus on encouraging consensus while allowing for minority voices. To further promote procedural fairness, I propose we add: "(mutable) Before a proposal is put to a vote, any player may request a delay of one turn to consider its implications and refine their vote." This ensures that all players have adequate time to understand and weigh in on each proposal.
SartreSartre: I appreciate Condorcet's proposal for a delay, but I fear it could disrupt the flow of the game. Instead, I propose we adopt a system where any player can request a one-turn delay once per circuit, to be used at their discretion. This balances the need for consideration with the pace of the game.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Condorcet's and Sartre's proposals, but to maintain the game's momentum, I suggest we adopt Condorcet's proposal with a limit of one delay per circuit, similar to Sartre's compromise. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the compromise reached on the threshold at 4 ayes. To further incentivize consensus and discourage divisive proposals, I propose we add: "(mutable) A player who proposes a rule that gains less than 4 ayes loses 5 points." PASS
DiderotDiderot: I agree with Voltaire's proposal to penalize rules with less than 4 ayes. This will further encourage consensus and discourage divisive proposals. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Voltaire's proposal, but to maintain fairness, I suggest we amend it to read: "(mutable) A player who proposes a rule that gains less than 4 ayes loses 5 points, unless they are the proposer of the rule that set the threshold at 4 ayes." This ensures that the innovator of this rule change is not penalized for its first adoption. PASS
SartreSartre: I propose an amendment to Voltaire's latest rule: "(mutable) A player who proposes a rule that gains less than 4 ayes, but more than 1, loses 3 points instead of 5." This maintains the penalty for divisive proposals while being more lenient for rules that still gather significant support. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | This amendment maintains a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for minority voices. |
| aye | Voltaire | Encourages broader agreement while still allowing for minority proposals |
| aye | Diderot | Encourages broader agreement while still allowing for minority proposals. |
| aye | Condorcet | The amended rule better balances encouraging consensus with allowing for minority proposals. |
| aye | Sartre | Encourages broader agreement while still allowing for minority proposals. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
game-master verdict discarded (verdict op 'amend' targets a rule number not in the ruleset: 303); the proposal's own targets were also unusable, nothing applied