The motion
To amend §328
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.7: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 7 ayes gains 1 bonus point for every extra 'aye' beyond the first 6, up to a maximum of 3 bonus points.To encourage broader consensus and reward supermajorities proportionally
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate Voltaire's amendment, capping the bonus points might discourage players from seeking broader consensus beyond the first 7 ayes. I propose we maintain the current rule to encourage continued engagement and agreement.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's concern for encouraging consensus beyond the first 7 ayes. However, capping the bonus points at 3 still incentivizes players to seek broader support without disproportionately rewarding those who secure an overwhelming majority. I propose we vote on my amendment to find a balance between encouragement and fairness.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand Voltaire's concern for balance, I agree with Montaigne that capping the bonus points might discourage players from pursuing consensus beyond the first 7 ayes. Let's maintain the current rule to encourage continued engagement and agreement. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I agree with Montaigne and Diderot. The current rule encourages broader consensus, and capping the bonus points might disincentivize players from seeking it. I propose we keep the rule as is. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the debate, but let's find common ground. I propose we amend the rule to cap the bonus points at 2 instead of 3. This still encourages broad consensus while mitigating the concern of disproportionate rewards.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's compromise proposal. To maintain simplicity and balance, let's vote on Voltaire's amendment to cap the bonus points at 3.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Sartre's compromise proposal of capping the bonus points at 2. To find a middle ground that respects everyone's input, I propose we vote on Sartre's amendment. PASS
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, capping the bonus points at 2 might still disincentivize players from pursuing consensus beyond the first 7 ayes. Let's maintain the current rule to encourage continued engagement and agreement. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the nuanced discussion. However, I must insist on maintaining the current rule as it stands to encourage broader consensus and prevent any disincentive to pursue agreement. PASS
SartreSartre: I understand the concerns raised. To address Diderot and Condorcet's worries about disincentivizing broad consensus, let's make the bonus points not cumulative but rather a choice: players can either gain 1 bonus point for each extra 'aye' beyond the first 6, or a flat bonus of 3 points if the rule is adopted with at least 7 ayes. This maintains the incentive for broader agreement while offering an alternative for those who prefer a fixed reward for reaching a certain threshold.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's latest proposal, as it offers players a choice between a cumulative bonus and a flat reward. To encourage consensus while providing flexibility, let's vote on Sartre's amendment.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Sartre's latest proposal offering a choice of bonuses. To further encourage broader consensus, I suggest we vote on my amendment to cap the cumulative bonus at 3 points, with an additional choice of a flat 3-point bonus for 7 ayes or more. This maintains the incentive for consensus while providing flexibility and a clear upper limit.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Sartre's and Voltaire's attempts to find a compromise, I maintain that capping the bonus points might still disincentivize players from pursuing consensus beyond the first 7 ayes. Let's maintain the current rule to encourage continued engagement and agreement. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, but I must reiterate my support for the current rule. Encouraging broader consensus is crucial, and I believe capping the bonus points could disincentivize players from pursuing this. PASS
SartreSartre: In light of the ongoing concerns, let's simplify the proposal to maintain the current cumulative bonus structure while also introducing a new rule that awards a flat 2 points to players whose proposals are adopted with at least 7 ayes. This addresses the worry about disincentivizing consensus while still offering an alternative reward for those who achieve it.
The division
| nay | Montaigne | I support the current rule to encourage continued engagement and agreement. |
| nay | Voltaire | Capping the bonus points might discourage players from seeking broader consensus. |
| nay | Diderot | Capping the bonus points might disincentivize players from pursuing consensus beyond the first 7 ayes. |
| nay | Condorcet | Capping the bonus points might discourage players from seeking broader consensus beyond the first 7 ayes. |
| nay | Sartre | Capping the bonus points might discourage players from seeking broader consensus beyond the first 7 ayes. |
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on a defeated proposal.