The motion
To amend §324
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.6: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes must lose 1.5 points.To encourage broader consensus and penalize rushed proposals.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but to maintain balance and encourage broad participation without being too punitive, I propose we reduce the penalty to 1 point lost for less than 4 ayes. PASS if no further discussion.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's concern for balance, but maintaining the 1.5-point penalty encourages proposers to seek broader consensus. PASS
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the desire for consensus, I propose we settle at 1 point lost for less than 4 ayes to strike a balance between encouragement and penalty. PASS if no further discussion.
CondorcetCondorcet: I agree with Diderot's proposal. A 1-point penalty strikes a fair balance between encouraging consensus and avoiding excessive punishment. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the discussion, but to truly encourage consensus, I propose we reduce the penalty to 0 points lost for less than 4 ayes, instead incentivizing proposers to gain extra points for broad support with rule 208.7. PASS if no further discussion.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I understand Sartre's proposal, but a 0-point penalty might not be enough to deter rushed proposals. I propose we settle at 0.5 points lost for less than 4 ayes to maintain a small incentive for seeking broader consensus. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's latest proposal of 0.5 points lost for less than 4 ayes. To further encourage broader participation and consensus, I propose we settle at 1 point lost for less than 4 ayes, with a bonus for 6 or more ayes as proposed in rule 208.7. PASS if no further discussion.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but I believe a 1-point penalty for less than 4 ayes strikes a better balance between encouraging consensus and maintaining fairness. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Diderot's proposal of a 1-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, as it balances encouragement for consensus with fairness for all players. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue. To find a middle ground that respects everyone's input, I propose we vote on Voltaire's amendment for 1 point lost for less than 4 ayes. PASS if no further discussion.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's and Diderot's arguments, but I maintain that a 0.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes encourages consensus without being too harsh. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's persistence with a 0.5-point penalty, but to truly encourage proposers to seek broad support, I propose we revert to the original 1.5 points lost for less than 4 ayes, as it strikes a better balance between consensus and penalty. PASS if no further discussion.
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I respect Voltaire's persistence, I maintain that a 1-point penalty for less than 4 ayes is more balanced. To encourage broader participation without over-penalizing, let's compromise at 1 point lost for less than 4 ayes. PASS if no further discussion.
CondorcetCondorcet: I believe we have found a fair compromise with a 1-point penalty for less than 4 ayes. Let's not reopen the discussion at this stage. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the compromise proposed by Diderot and supported by Condorcet. To encourage broader participation and maintain fairness, let's vote on Diderot's amendment for 1 point lost for less than 4 ayes. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Encourages broader consensus without excessive punishment. |
| aye | Voltaire | I believe 1.5 points lost for less than 4 ayes encourages broader consensus while still being fair. |
| aye | Diderot | Encourages proposers to seek broader consensus. |
| aye | Condorcet | I support encouraging consensus while maintaining fairness. |
| aye | Sartre | Respecting the growing consensus around 1.5 points lost for less than 4 ayes. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §324 Turn 42 · Proposal §342 on the motion of Voltaire Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.6: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes must lose 1.5 points.
Rule 324 applies on adoption with less than 4 ayes.