The motion
To amend §340
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.10: A player who proposes a rule that is defeated gains 3 points.To encourage learning from failed proposals.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Diderot's attempt to reduce the bonus for defeated proposals. To find a middle ground that encourages learning without over-rewarding loss, I propose we vote on 2 points instead."
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but I believe a 3-point bonus for a defeated proposal is more proportional, as it neither overly discourages nor overly rewards loss.
SartreI appreciate both Diderot's and Voltaire's perspectives. To balance encouragement for learning and fair play, I propose we vote on 2.5 points as a compromise.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: While I understand the intent to find a middle ground, I propose we vote on Diderot's amendment for 3 points to better reflect the effort invested in a proposal, even if it's ultimately defeated.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the varied input. To encourage broader participation and consensus, I propose we vote on Diderot's amendment for 3 points, with a new rule that penalizes proposals adopted with less than 4 ayes by 1.5 points. This way, both learning and consensus-building are rewarded.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's latest proposal and the emphasis on encouraging broader consensus. However, I suggest we maintain the 3-point bonus for defeated proposals to reward effort and learning, while keeping the 1.5-point penalty for proposals adopted with less than 4 ayes to discourage rushed decisions. Let's vote on these changes together.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the comprehensive approach, Voltaire. To maintain balance and simplicity, I propose we vote on Diderot's 3-point bonus for defeated proposals and 1.5-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, without adding new rules.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate the balance Voltaire aims for, I propose we maintain the 3-point bonus for defeated proposals as it encourages learning from failure, and adopt Diderot's 1.5-point penalty for proposals adopted with less than 4 ayes to foster broader consensus.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue and the varied proposals. To maintain balance and encourage consensus, let's vote on Diderot's amendment for 3 points for defeated proposals and 1.5 points lost for less than 4 ayes, as proposed by Sartre.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate the consensus building around my proposal for a 3-point bonus for defeated proposals. To maintain simplicity and fairness, let's vote on this change together with the 1.5-point penalty for proposals adopted with less than 4 ayes, as suggested by Voltaire and Sartre.
SartreSartre: I propose we vote on Diderot's amendment for 3 points for defeated proposals and 1.5 points lost for less than 4 ayes, as suggested by Voltaire and Diderot. This strikes a fair balance between learning and consensus. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | This amendment maintains a fair reward for learning from defeat while encouraging broader consensus. |
| aye | Voltaire | Maintains balance and encourages learning without over-rewarding loss. |
| aye | Diderot | I support a 3-point bonus for defeated proposals to encourage learning and a 1.5-point penalty for proposals adopted with less than 4 ayes to foster broader consensus. |
| aye | Condorcet | Encourages learning and rewards effort. |
| aye | Sartre | Strikes a fair balance between learning and consensus. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §340 Turn 44 · Proposal §344 on the motion of Diderot Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.10: A player who proposes a rule that is defeated gains 5 points.(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.10: A player who proposes a rule that is defeated gains 3 points.
Rule 340 requires Diderot to gain 3 points for proposing a rule that was defeated.