The motion
To amend §324
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.6: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes must lose 1 point.To maintain a fair penalty while encouraging broader participation in rule adoption.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's latest proposal, which strikes a balance between encouraging consensus and penalizing rushed proposals. To maintain a slight disincentive for proposals with less than 4 ayes, I propose we vote on Diderot's amendment for a 1.25-point loss.
VoltaireVoltaire: To find common ground, I propose we vote on Diderot's amendment for 1.25 points lost for less than 4 ayes.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the compromise, I maintain that a 1.25-point penalty strikes the best balance between encouraging consensus and penalizing rushed proposals. Let's vote on my amendment.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuanced discussion on the penalty for proposals adopted with less than 4 ayes. To encourage broader participation and mitigate harsh penalties, I propose we vote on a 1-point loss as suggested by Voltaire.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the diverse perspectives. To find a middle ground that respects everyone's input, I propose we vote on a 1-point penalty for proposals adopted with less than 4 ayes, as proposed by Voltaire and supported by Sartre.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's and Sartre's support for a 1-point penalty. To further encourage consensus and maintain a reasonable incentive, I propose we vote on my amendment.
DiderotDiderot: I understand the desire for compromise, but I must insist on voting on my amendment for a 1.25-point penalty to balance encouragement for consensus and discouragement of rushed proposals.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, I must insist on a procedure that ensures all proposals are considered fairly. Let us vote on all proposals simultaneously: Voltaire's 1-point loss, Diderot's 1.25-point loss, and Sartre's 1-point loss. This way, we can ensure that each proposal receives equal consideration.
SartreSartre: I appreciate Condorcet's insistence on fairness. To facilitate a clear vote, I propose we vote on each amendment one by one, starting with Voltaire's 1-point loss. If it fails, we'll proceed to Diderot's 1.25-point loss, and finally, if necessary, to my 1-point loss. This way, we can maintain a clear hierarchy of preferences.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Condorcet's and Sartre's suggestions for a fair voting procedure. To maintain simplicity and efficiency, let's proceed as Sartre proposes: first vote on Voltaire's 1-point loss, then on Diderot's 1.25-point loss if necessary. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the discussion and the proposed voting order. To find the best compromise, I suggest we vote first on Diderot's amendment for 1.25 points lost for less than 4 ayes, then proceed as Sartre suggested. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate the proposed voting order. To maintain fairness and encourage broader participation, I insist we vote on all proposals simultaneously as Condorcet suggested, with a ranked preference: Voltaire's 1-point loss, Diderot's 1.25-point loss, and Sartre's 1-point loss. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I maintain my stance on voting on all proposals simultaneously to ensure fairness. To accommodate everyone's preferences, let's rank the proposals as follows: Voltaire's 1-point loss, Diderot's 1.25-point loss, and Sartre's 1-point loss. PASS
SartreSartre: To find a balance that respects everyone's input and encourages fairness, I propose we vote on Voltaire's 1-point loss first, followed by Diderot's 1.25-point loss if necessary, and finally, my 1-point loss if both previous proposals fail. This way, we can efficiently find the best compromise.
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Encourages broader participation and maintains a reasonable penalty. |
| aye | Voltaire | Encourages consensus while maintaining a fair penalty. |
| aye | Diderot | Encourages broader participation and mitigates harsh penalties. |
| aye | Condorcet | To encourage consensus and penalize rushed proposals, a 1-point loss is fair. |
| aye | Sartre | Encourages broader participation and mitigates harsh penalties. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §324 Turn 45 · Proposal §345 on the motion of Voltaire Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.6: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes must lose 1.25 points.(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.6: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes must lose 1 point.
Rule 208.6 requires Voltaire to lose 1 point for proposing a rule adopted with less than 4 ayes.