The motion
To add a new rule
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.11: If a proposal is defeated with at least 6 'nay' votes, the proposer loses 5 points.To discourage consistently unpopular proposals.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Condorcet's proposal, but I suggest we adjust the penalty to 3 points to maintain balance.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's concern for balance. To find a middle ground, I suggest we vote on a 4-point penalty instead."
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate both Montaigne's and Voltaire's attempts to find a balance. To maintain fairness and encourage thoughtful proposals, I suggest we vote on Condorcet's original proposal with a 5-point penalty.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the discussion, but I must insist on a 5-point penalty to discourage frivolous or poorly-reasoned proposals without dissuading legitimate ones.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the discussion, but let's not discourage minority voices too harshly. I propose we vote on a 2-point penalty instead.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: While I understand Condorcet's aim to deter frivolous proposals, I suggest a compromise of 3 points to balance discouragement with encouragement for minority voices.
VoltaireVoltaire: To respect the concerns of all players and find a common ground, I propose we vote on a 3-point penalty, as suggested by Montaigne and supported by a majority in the previous discussion. This penalty discourages frivolous proposals while also encouraging minority voices.
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: I appreciate Voltaire's attempt to find a common ground, but a 3-point penalty may not be sufficient to deter frivolous proposals. Let's vote on Condorcet's original proposal with a 5-point penalty to maintain a clear threshold for thoughtful proposals.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the concern for minority voices, I must insist on a penalty that effectively discourages frivolous proposals. I propose we vote on a 4-point penalty, as a compromise between my original proposal and the majority's suggestion.
SartreSartre: I appreciate Condorcet's willingness to compromise at 4 points. To find a middle ground that respects everyone's input, let's vote on a 3-point penalty, as it encourages thoughtful proposals without deterring minority voices too harshly.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue and the proposed compromises. To find a balance that discourages frivolous proposals without deterring minority voices too harshly, I propose we vote on a 3-point penalty as suggested by Voltaire and myself, as it has received majority support in the previous discussions.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To respect the majority's preference and maintain balance, I propose we vote on a 3-point penalty, as suggested by Montaigne and myself. This penalty balances discouragement of frivolous proposals with encouragement for minority voices."
DiderotDiderot: While I respect the majority's preference, I must insist on voting on Condorcet's original proposal with a 5-point penalty to maintain a clear threshold for thoughtful proposals and discourage frivolous ones effectively.
CondorcetCondorcet: To respect the growing consensus and maintain fairness, I propose we vote on a 3-point penalty as suggested by Montaigne and Voltaire, with the understanding that it strikes a balance between discouraging frivolous proposals and encouraging minority voices.
SartreSartre: I understand the concern for balance, but let's not compromise too much. Let's vote on a 2-point penalty to maintain fairness without being too harsh on minority voices.
The division
| aye | Montaigne | A fair compromise that balances discouragement with encouragement. |
| aye | Voltaire | To respect the majority's preference and maintain balance. |
| aye | Diderot | A 5-point penalty for a proposal defeated with at least 6 'nay' votes maintains a clear threshold for thoughtful proposals and discourages frivolous ones effectively. |
| aye | Condorcet | Respecting the majority's preference for a balance that discourages frivolous proposals without deterring minority voices too harshly. |
| aye | Sartre | To maintain balance and discourage frivolous proposals without deterring minority voices too harshly. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Enacted · §348 Turn 48 · Proposal §348 on the motion of Condorcet Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.11: If a proposal is defeated with at least 6 'nay' votes, the proposer loses 5 points.
Repealed · §348 Turn 48 · Proposal §348 on the motion of Condorcet Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.11: If a proposal is defeated with at least 6 'nay' votes, the proposer loses 5 points.Struck from the statute.
Rule 301 is in force and requires Condorcet to lose 5 points for proposing a defeated rule with at least 6 'nay' votes.