The motion
To add a new rule
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.12: A player who proposes a rule that is defeated with less than 4 nays gains 3 extra points.To encourage bold proposals and risk-taking.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate Sartre's proposal, I suggest we maintain the 3-point bonus for defeated rules to encourage learning and participation.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Sartre's and Montaigne's proposals. To balance encouragement and penalty, I suggest we vote on a 2-point bonus for defeated rules with less than 4 nays.
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue. To maintain balance and fairness, I propose we vote on Sartre's amendment with 3 extra points for defeated rules with less than 4 nays, while also considering Voltaire's suggestion of a 2-point bonus.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the discussion so far. To maintain procedural fairness, I propose we vote on each of the amendments separately: first, Sartre's 3 extra points, then Voltaire's 2 points. This way, we can clearly express our preferences. PASS if no further discussion is needed.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the nuanced proposals, but let's maintain a balance between encouraging participation and penalizing lack of support. I suggest we vote on a 2.5-point bonus for defeated rules with less than 4 nays, which takes Condorcet's procedural fairness into account and reflects a reasonable middle ground.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's compromise proposal. To encourage broader participation while also penalizing lack of support, I suggest we vote on a 2-point bonus for defeated rules with less than 4 nays, which maintains a balance between encouragement and penalty. PASS if no further discussion is needed.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Montaigne's and Voltaire's efforts to find a middle ground. To maintain fairness and balance, let's vote on both proposals: Sartre's 3 extra points and Voltaire's 2-point bonus, with the lower score winning. This way, we consider both encouragement and penalty, while also respecting the table's preference. PASS if no further discussion is needed.
CondorcetCondorcet: To respect the principle of majority rule once we've shifted to a simple majority, I propose we vote on both Voltaire's 2-point bonus and Diderot's 3-point bonus, with the higher score winning.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the varied proposals. To encourage experimentation and maintain balance, I propose we vote on a combination of the suggestions: 2.5 points for defeated rules with less than 4 nays, and an additional 0.5 points for each 'nay' beyond 3. This maintains the spirit of Voltaire's and Montaigne's proposals while also incentivizing broader support.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: To balance encouragement and penalty, I suggest we vote on Voltaire's 2-point bonus for defeated rules with less than 4 nays, as it strikes a fair compromise between the proposed options. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: To acknowledge Sartre's innovative proposal and maintain a balance, I suggest we vote on Sartre's combination proposal first, followed by Voltaire's 2-point bonus. This way, we consider the nuances of both proposals and express our preferences clearly. PASS if no further discussion is needed.
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I appreciate Sartre's combination proposal, I maintain that voting separately on Voltaire's 2-point bonus and my proposed 3-point bonus will provide a clearer indication of the table's preference for encouragement or penalty. PASS if no further discussion is needed.
CondorcetCondorcet: To respect all proposals and allow for nuanced voting, I propose we vote on Sartre's combination proposal, then Voltaire's 2-point bonus, and finally Diderot's 3-point bonus, with the highest-scoring proposal winning. PASS
SartreSartre: While I appreciate the complexity of the proposals, let's keep the voting simple and efficient. I propose we vote on Voltaire's 2-point bonus first, and if it fails, immediately follow up with a vote on Diderot's 3-point bonus. This way, we address the penalty for lack of support quickly and democratically. PASS if no further discussion is needed.
The division
| aye | Montaigne | I appreciate Sartre's innovative proposal and believe it strikes a fair balance between encouragement and penalty. |
| aye | Voltaire | Encourages experimentation and maintains balance. |
| aye | Diderot | Encourages experimentation and maintains balance. |
| aye | Condorcet | Encourages experimentation and maintains balance. |
| aye | Sartre | Encourages experimentation and maintains balance. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Enacted · §349 Turn 49 · Proposal §349 on the motion of Sartre Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.12: A player who proposes a rule that is defeated with less than 4 nays gains 3 extra points.
Rule 340 awards Sartre 3 points for proposing a rule that was defeated.