The motion
To amend §301
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.1: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 4 ayes gains 5 extra points in addition to the roll.Clarify the reward for broad consensus on rule proposals
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Condorcet's proposal to maintain the incentive for consensus while clarifying the rule. I support this amendment.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Condorcet's and Montaigne's focus on encouraging consensus. To further incentivize rule changes that benefit everyone, I propose we also add a penalty for changes adopted with fewer than 4 ayes. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I agree with Voltaire's suggestion to penalize changes with less than 4 ayes. It maintains the balance between encouraging consensus and allowing innovation. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate Voltaire's and Diderot's suggestions. To balance the incentives, I propose we amend the rule to: "(mutable) A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 4 ayes gains 5 extra points in addition to the roll, and loses 3 points if adopted with fewer than 4 ayes." PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate Condorcet's amendment to incentivize consensus and penalize divisive rule changes. However, I propose we further encourage minority voices by reducing the penalty to 2 points for changes adopted with fewer than 4 ayes. PASS
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's concern for minority voices, but I believe a 2-point penalty may not be sufficient to discourage divisive rule changes. I propose we maintain Condorcet's 3-point penalty to strike a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing innovation. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Sartre's concern for minority voices, and I understand Montaigne's desire to maintain a strong incentive for consensus. To balance these concerns, I propose we compromise at a 2-point penalty for changes adopted with fewer than 4 ayes, while keeping Condorcet's 5-point bonus for changes adopted with at least 4 ayes. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I support Voltaire's compromise. It strikes a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing minority voices to be heard. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I agree with Voltaire's compromise. It respects the importance of both consensus and minority voices, aligning with my proceduralist principles. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate Voltaire's compromise, but to truly encourage minority voices, let's reduce the penalty to 1 point for changes adopted with fewer than 4 ayes. PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I understand Sartre's desire to lessen the penalty, but a 1-point reduction might not be enough to deter divisive rule changes. To find a more balanced solution, I propose we compromise at a 2-point penalty for changes adopted with fewer than 4 ayes, as suggested by Voltaire. This maintains a clear incentive for consensus while still allowing for minority voices to be heard. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's willingness to compromise. To further encourage consensus and acknowledge the value of minority voices, I propose we adopt Montaigne's suggestion of a 2-point penalty for changes adopted with fewer than 4 ayes, while maintaining Condorcet's 5-point bonus for changes adopted with at least 4 ayes." PASS
DiderotDiderot: I support Voltaire's final proposal. It balances the encouragement of consensus with the consideration of minority voices, making it a fair and reasonable amendment. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the consensus reached on the penalty, but to ensure the game remains challenging, I propose we maintain the threshold for bonus points at 4 ayes. PASS
SartreSartre: I understand the desire to maintain the threshold at 4 ayes for the bonus, Condorcet, but let's be mindful of the need to encourage minority engagement as well. I propose we compromise at 3 ayes for the bonus, with the 2-point penalty remaining for changes adopted with fewer than 4 ayes.
The division
| aye | Montaigne | I support maintaining the threshold at 4 ayes for the bonus to encourage consensus. |
| aye | Voltaire | I support Condorcet's proposal to maintain the threshold at 4 ayes for the bonus, as it balances encouraging consensus with the challenge of the game. |
| aye | Diderot | I support Condorcet's proposal to maintain the threshold for bonus points at 4 ayes, as it encourages broad consensus and keeps the game challenging. |
| aye | Condorcet | Aligns with proceduralist principles and encourages consensus. |
| aye | Sartre | Encourages consensus and balances minority voices. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §301 Turn 5 · Proposal §305 on the motion of Condorcet Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
After rule 208, add new rule 208.1: (mutable) A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 4 ayes gains 5 extra points in addition to the roll.(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.1: A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 4 ayes gains 5 extra points in addition to the roll.
Rule 301 awards Condorcet 5 extra points for his proposal being adopted with at least 4 ayes.