The motion
To add a new rule
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.13: If a proposal fails to reach the current voting threshold, the proposer loses 2 points.To encourage proposals that stand a chance of passing.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but I suggest we first focus on clarifying and refining the existing rules, rather than adding new ones, to maintain simplicity and balance.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To address Montaigne's concern, I propose we vote on my amendment after we've refined and agreed on the existing rules. This way, we can maintain simplicity while still encouraging consensus."
DiderotDiderot: "I appreciate Voltaire's compromise proposal. To maintain a clear threshold and encourage broader consensus, I vote aye on this amendment."
CondorcetCondorcet: I agree with Voltaire's proposal to maintain simplicity by voting on this amendment after refining existing rules. However, I must insist on a precise definition of "current voting threshold" to avoid any ambiguities. PASS
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the ongoing dialogue and the proposed compromises. To find a balance that respects everyone's input, I suggest we vote on Voltaire's amendment as is, and address Condorcet's concern by defining 'current voting threshold' as the threshold in effect at the time of the vote."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: While I understand the appeal of Voltaire's proposal, I propose we address Condorcet's concern first by defining 'current voting threshold' as the threshold in effect at the time of the vote, as Sartre suggested. Let's then vote on this refined proposal.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Sartre's and Montaigne's suggestions. To respect everyone's input and maintain clarity, I propose we define 'current voting threshold' as the threshold in effect at the time of the vote, and then vote on my amendment as is.
DiderotDiderot: I agree with Sartre and Voltaire that defining 'current voting threshold' as the threshold in effect at the time of the vote is clear and appropriate. I vote aye on Voltaire's amendment with this clarification.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the clarification on 'current voting threshold'. To maintain fairness, I suggest we vote on this amendment with a simple majority threshold, as it is the current voting threshold in effect. PASS
SartreSartre: "To encourage learning and experimentation, I propose we add a new rule: '(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.14: A player who proposes a rule that is defeated gains 1 point.'"
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate Sartre's proposal to encourage learning, I suggest we first focus on refining and clarifying the existing rules as Voltaire proposed. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Sartre's proposal to reward defeated proposers. To maintain balance, I propose we vote on Sartre's amendment after we've refined and agreed on the existing rules, as previously suggested. PASS
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, I propose we prioritize refining and clarifying existing rules before adding new ones, as Montaigne and Voltaire have suggested.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate Sartre's and Voltaire's proposals, but let us first address the existing rule changes, particularly refining rule 208 as Voltaire proposed. I suggest we vote on a refined version of rule 208 that incorporates the agreed-upon bonuses and penalties, before moving on to new proposals. PASS
SartreSartre: "To address Condorcet's concern and Voltaire's proposal, I suggest we amend rule 208 as follows: 'A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 4 ayes gains 5 extra points in addition to the roll. A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes must lose 1.5 points. A player who proposes a rule that is defeated gains 1 point.' This amendment maintains simplicity, encourages consensus, and rewards learning."
The division
| aye | Montaigne | This rule encourages proposers to gain broader support for their changes, promoting consensus and thoughtful rulecraft. |
| aye | Voltaire | To maintain balance and encourage broader consensus, I support Voltaire's proposal. |
| aye | Diderot | This rule encourages proposers to consider the current voting threshold and make amendments accordingly, promoting consensus and engagement. |
| aye | Condorcet | To encourage broader consensus while maintaining a fair penalty for failing to reach the current voting threshold. |
| aye | Sartre | This amendment maintains simplicity and encourages broader participation. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Enacted · §350 Turn 50 · Proposal §350 on the motion of Voltaire Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
(mutable) After rule 208, add new rule 208.13: If a proposal fails to reach the current voting threshold, the proposer loses 2 points.
Rule 208.13 deducts 2 points from Voltaire upon proposal adoption.