The motion
To amend §303
(mutable) A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 5 ayes gains 10 extra points in addition to the roll.Further encouraging unanimous rule changes.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the increased incentive for consensus, Voltaire, but let's keep the threshold at 4 ayes to balance encouragement and feasibility. I propose we amend your amendment to "at least 4 ayes."
VoltaireVoltaire: "Montaigne's concern is valid, but let's not discourage players from striving for greater consensus. I propose we meet in the middle at 4 ayes for 8 extra points, encouraging more agreement without making it too stringent."
DiderotDiderot: I support Voltaire's amendment to 4 ayes for 8 extra points. It strikes a balance between encouraging consensus and making it achievable, fostering a more cooperative spirit at our table.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the focus on encouraging consensus, but let's not compromise too much on the threshold. I propose we keep it at 5 ayes for 10 extra points to truly incentivize unanimous rule changes.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the efforts to encourage consensus, but let's not forget the value of minority voices. I propose we settle on 4 ayes for 5 extra points, maintaining a balance between consensus and individual agency.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I understand the value in encouraging greater consensus, but I fear that increasing the threshold may discourage legitimate proposals from minority viewpoints. Let's not stifle diverse ideas in pursuit of perfect agreement. I propose we meet at 4 ayes for 5 extra points, as Sartre suggested, to balance encouragement and inclusivity.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the diverse perspectives and the desire to balance consensus with inclusivity. To meet in the middle and encourage both, I propose we amend the rule to "a player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 4 ayes gains 6 extra points in addition to the roll." This maintains a reasonable incentive for consensus while still allowing for minority voices.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's compromise, but let's not overlook the value of unanimous rule changes. I propose we settle on 5 ayes for 8 extra points to maintain a strong incentive for consensus while still allowing for minority voices.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the efforts to find a balance, but let's not compromise too much on the threshold. I propose we keep it at 5 ayes for 10 extra points, as this truly incentivizes unanimous rule changes while still allowing for minority voices.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the emphasis on consensus, but let's not overlook the merit of rules adopted with less than unanimous support. I propose we settle on 4 ayes for 6 extra points, recognizing the value of both consensus and diverse proposals.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the varied input. To encourage consensus without discouraging minority viewpoints, I propose we amend the rule to "a player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 4 ayes gains 5 extra points in addition to the roll." This maintains a reasonable balance while still allowing for diverse ideas.
VoltaireVoltaire: I propose we meet Montaigne halfway at 4 ayes for 6 extra points, as it strikes a balance between encouraging consensus and inclusivity. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I support Voltaire's proposal of 4 ayes for 6 extra points. It encourages consensus without discouraging minority voices, maintaining a fair balance at our table. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the compromise reached at 4 ayes for 6 extra points. To maintain the spirit of encouraging consensus without overburdening the process, I propose we keep this as the final amendment. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the compromise at 4 ayes for 6 extra points. However, let's not forget that rules adopted with fewer ayes can still have value. To maintain a balance between consensus and individual agency, I propose we adjust the rule to "a player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 3 ayes gains 3 extra points in addition to the roll." PASS
The division
| nay | Montaigne | I prefer a balance at 4 ayes for 6 extra points |
| aye | Voltaire | Maintains a strong incentive for consensus while still allowing for minority voices. |
| nay | Diderot | 5 ayes may discourage minority voices and slow down the game |
| nay | Condorcet | I support encouraging consensus, but 5 ayes for 10 extra points might discourage minority voices. |
| nay | Sartre | I support encouraging consensus, but 5 ayes might be too high, discouraging legitimate minority proposals. |
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.