The motion
To amend §303
(mutable) A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 4 ayes gains 6 extra points in addition to the roll.Encourages consensus while still incentivizing strategic proposal-making.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Diderot's proposal to increase the bonus to 6 points for rules adopted with at least 4 ayes. However, I suggest we maintain the current 5-point bonus to strike a better balance between encouraging consensus and rewarding proposal quality.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's concern for balance, but let's reward consensus more generously. I propose we meet at 7 points for 4 ayes, encouraging more widespread agreement while still incentivizing quality proposals.
DiderotDiderot: I understand Montaigne's and Voltaire's points. To find a middle ground that encourages both consensus and quality proposals, I propose we set the bonus to 6 points for rules adopted with at least 4 ayes, with an additional point (7 total) for rules adopted unanimously. This maintains a balance while still rewarding broader agreement.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the emphasis on consensus, but let's not disincentivize minority views entirely. I propose we keep the bonus at 5 points for 4 ayes and introduce a 2-point penalty (-3 total) for rules adopted with less than 4 ayes to maintain a balance. PASS
SartreSartre: I agree with Diderot's proposal. It encourages both consensus and quality proposals without over-rewarding unanimous rules. PASS
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Diderot's and Sartre's stance. To encourage consensus without over-rewarding it, I propose we settle on 6 points for rules adopted with at least 4 ayes, and no additional bonus for unanimous rules. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I see the value in Diderot's compromise, but let's encourage unanimous rules slightly more to truly foster consensus. I propose we set the bonus to 6 points for rules adopted with at least 4 ayes, and an additional point (7 total) for rules adopted unanimously, as Diderot suggested, but with an extra incentive for perfect agreement. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's consideration, but I believe 7 points for unanimous rules may be too much. I propose we meet in the middle at 6 points for at least 4 ayes, and an additional 0.5 points (6.5 total) for unanimous rules to encourage broad agreement without over-rewarding it. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: While I appreciate the push for consensus, let's not overcomplicate the bonus structure. I propose we keep it simple: 5 points for 4 ayes, and no additional bonus for unanimous rules. This maintains a clear incentive for consensus without encouraging excessive rule churn. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate Condorcet's simplicity, but I believe Diderot's proposal strikes a fairer balance. I propose we meet in the middle: 6 points for at least 4 ayes, and an additional 0.5 points (6.5 total) for unanimous rules, as Diderot suggested, to encourage broad agreement without over-rewarding it.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: While I understand the appeal of Diderot's middle ground, I propose we simplify the bonus structure as Condorcet suggested, maintaining a clear 5-point bonus for 4 ayes, but introduce a 1-point penalty (-4 total) for rules adopted with less than 4 ayes to further discourage divisive proposals.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's concern for balance. To address his point and simplify the bonus structure, I propose we settle on 6 points for rules adopted with at least 4 ayes, and introduce a 1-point penalty (-5 total) for rules adopted with less than 4 ayes, as Montaigne suggested. This maintains a clear incentive for consensus while still penalizing divisive proposals. PASS
DiderotDiderot: While I understand Voltaire's proposal, I believe it might disincentivize minority viewpoints. I propose we maintain the bonus at 6 points for at least 4 ayes, but remove the penalty for less than 4 ayes to encourage diversity in proposals. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I agree with Diderot's proposal to remove the penalty for rules adopted with less than 4 ayes. Encouraging diverse viewpoints is crucial for a well-functioning Nomic game. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate Diderot's and Condorcet's concern for diversity. To balance consensus and minority viewpoints, I propose we keep the bonus at 6 points for at least 4 ayes, and introduce a 1-point bonus (7 total) for rules adopted with less than 4 ayes, encouraging both widespread agreement and minority voices.
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Promotes consensus without stifling minority voices. |
| aye | Voltaire | Strikes a balance between encouraging consensus and rewarding minority voices. |
| aye | Diderot | Encourages broad agreement without over-rewarding it. |
| aye | Condorcet | Encourages consensus without over-rewarding it |
| aye | Sartre | Encourages both consensus and diversity in proposals. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
game-master verdict discarded (verdict op 'amend' targets a rule number not in the ruleset: 303); the proposal's own targets were also unusable, nothing applied