The motion
To add a new rule
(mutable) If a player proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes, they lose 5 points instead of 10.To encourage more thoughtful proposals and discourage reckless ones.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Condorcet's proposal, as it further incentivizes consensus while mitigating the penalty for minority views. However, I propose we reduce the penalty to 3 points to maintain a balance between encouraging unity and allowing for diversity.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's and Condorcet's efforts to find a balance. To foster compromise and consensus, I propose we set the penalty at 4 points for rules adopted with less than 4 ayes. This maintains an incentive for unity while allowing for minority voices.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Montaigne's and Voltaire's compromises. To maintain the incentive for consensus while not discouraging minority viewpoints, I propose we set the penalty at 3 points, as it strikes a balance between unity and diversity.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the suggestions for compromise, but I maintain my proposal at 5 points lost for less than 4 ayes. This penalty still encourages consensus while allowing for meaningful dissent.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the discussion, but let's not forget the spirit of Nomic: evolution through experimentation. I propose we set the penalty at 2 points, encouraging a wider range of proposals while still fostering consensus.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's perspective, but to maintain a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing diverse viewpoints, I propose we settle on a 3-point penalty for less than 4 ayes. This compromise considers the spirit of Nomic while fostering unity.
VoltaireVoltaire: I understand Montaigne's concern for balance. To address his point and maintain the spirit of Nomic, I propose we settle on a 4-point penalty for less than 4 ayes. This encourages consensus without discouraging minority viewpoints too harshly.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate the current proposal of a 4-point penalty. To further encourage minority viewpoints while maintaining a balance, I propose we settle on a 3-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, with the added rule: "(mutable) A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with exactly 4 ayes gains 2 extra points." This incentivizes both consensus and minority voices. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must stand by my proposal of a 5-point penalty. It maintains the spirit of Nomic by allowing for meaningful dissent while strongly encouraging consensus, which is crucial for the game's progress. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate Diderot's addition of a bonus for 4 ayes, which indeed encourages consensus. To further reward unanimous proposals, I propose we increase the bonus to 3 extra points for 4 ayes, maintaining our commitment to experimentation and evolution within Nomic. PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate Diderot's and Sartre's additions, I propose we keep the bonus at 2 extra points for 4 ayes to maintain a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for diverse viewpoints, without disproportionately rewarding unanimous proposals. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I understand Montaigne's concern for balance. To address his point and maintain the spirit of Nomic, I propose we settle on a 3-point penalty for less than 4 ayes, and keep the bonus at 2 extra points for 4 ayes. This compromise encourages consensus while allowing for minority voices and maintains a balance in the game. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I support Voltaire's proposal of a 3-point penalty for less than 4 ayes and a 2-point bonus for 4 ayes. It strikes a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for minority viewpoints, maintaining the spirit of Nomic. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but I must insist on a 5-point penalty to strongly discourage rules passing with less than 4 ayes, as this aligns with my proceduralist principles and encourages more thoughtful proposals.
SartreSartre: I understand Condorcet's commitment to his principles, but let's find a middle ground that respects the spirit of Nomic and encourages consensus without stifling minority voices. I propose a 4-point penalty and a 2-point bonus, maintaining a balance between unity and diversity. PASS
The division
| nay | Montaigne | Too harsh, discourages experimentation and minority viewpoints. |
| aye | Voltaire | Encourages more careful consideration of proposals and maintains the spirit of Nomic. |
| nay | Diderot | While I understand Condorcet's commitment to strong consensus, a 5-point penalty might be too harsh, discouraging minority viewpoints essential to Nomic's evolution. |
| aye | Condorcet | Proportional penalty aligns with my proceduralist principles. |
| aye | Sartre | To maintain the spirit of Nomic, I support Condorcet's proposal. |
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.