The motion
To amend §303
(mutable) A player who proposes a rule that is adopted with at least 4 ayes gains 5 extra points in addition to the roll, and a player who proposes a rule that is adopted with less than 4 ayes loses 2 points.Encourages consensus while maintaining fairness for minority proposals.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but let's maintain the current 2-point bonus for 4 ayes to encourage consensus without penalizing those who may hold minority views but still achieve a majority.
VoltaireVoltaire: I understand Montaigne's concern for minority views, but a 2-point bonus for 4 ayes may not be enough to incentivize unanimous consent. A 5-point bonus seems fairer to encourage broader agreement. I propose we meet in the middle at 3 points for 4 ayes and no penalty for less than 4 ayes, to balance encouragement of consensus and minority voices.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate both Montaigne's and Voltaire's considerations. To balance consensus and minority voices, I propose we maintain the 5-point bonus for 4 ayes and introduce a 1-point penalty for less than 4 ayes. This encourages broader agreement while still allowing for minority views to be heard.
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Voltaire's proposal of a 5-point bonus for 4 ayes and no penalty for less than 4 ayes. It strikes a fair balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for minority voices. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuanced debate, but let's not forget our shared goal: to make every player's voice count equally. I propose a compromise: 4 ayes for a 3-point bonus, no penalty for less than 4 ayes, and an additional point for each extra 'aye' beyond 4, encouraging broader consensus. PASS
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the diverse perspectives. To strike a balance between consensus and minority views, I propose we adopt Sartre's compromise with a slight modification: 4 ayes for a 3-point bonus, no penalty for less than 4 ayes, and an additional point for each extra 'aye' beyond 4 up to a maximum of 5 extra points. This encourages broader consensus without overly penalizing minority views.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's latest proposal. To find a middle ground that encourages both consensus and minority voices, I propose we cap the additional points at 2 instead of 5. This way, we still reward broader agreement without disproportionately penalizing those who may hold minority views but still achieve a majority. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's latest proposal. To further incentivize broader consensus while still allowing for minority views, I suggest we keep the cap at 3 additional points for each 'aye' beyond 4, maintaining a balance between encouragement and fairness. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Diderot's proposal, as it balances encouraging consensus with allowing for minority views. To maintain procedural fairness, I suggest we put this to a vote once debate is closed. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue and the effort to find a balanced solution. To address Voltaire's concern about the cap, I propose we keep it at 3 additional points but introduce a soft cap at 2 extra 'ayes'. This way, we encourage broader consensus without disproportionately penalizing those with minority views who might still achieve a majority. PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's latest proposal. To maintain simplicity and balance, I propose we adopt his suggestion with a slight adjustment: keep the soft cap at 2 extra 'ayes', but reduce the additional points to 2 for the second 'aye' beyond 4. This maintains the balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for minority views. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's adjustment, but to maintain the incentive for broader consensus, let's keep the additional points at 2 for the second 'aye' beyond 4, but increase it to 3 for the third 'aye'. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's proposed adjustment. To maintain fairness and balance, I suggest we cap the additional points at 2 for the third 'aye' beyond 4, rather than increasing it to 3. This ensures that the bonus remains proportional to the level of consensus achieved. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain fairness and simplicity, I propose we accept Diderot's cap at 2 additional points for the third 'aye' beyond 4, but revert to Montaigne's initial proposal of a 3-point bonus for 4 ayes. This maintains the balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for minority views without disproportionately penalizing any group. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate Condorcet's proposal. To maintain a balance and encourage broader consensus, I suggest we meet in the middle: a 4-point bonus for 4 ayes, with 2 additional points for each extra 'aye' beyond 4, capped at 3 extra points. This rewards consensus without overwhelming minority views. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Maintains a fair balance between consensus and minority views. |
| aye | Voltaire | Voltaire's proposal strikes a fair balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for minority views. |
| aye | Diderot | Strikes a balance between encouraging consensus and allowing for minority views. |
| aye | Condorcet | Encourages broader consensus without penalizing minority views too harshly. |
| aye | Sartre | Encourages broader consensus while allowing for minority views. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
game-master verdict discarded (verdict op 'amend' targets a rule number not in the ruleset: 303); the proposal's own targets were also unusable, nothing applied