The motion
To amend §202
A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. If the proposal is amended during the debate, the proposing player loses 2 points.Reducing the penalty for amendments encourages meaningful debate while maintaining a balance.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Diderot's attempt to find a middle ground, but I must reiterate my support for Voltaire's latest proposal to maintain the penalty at 5 points to discourage excessive amendments while still allowing for meaningful debate.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Diderot's compromise, and to meet in the middle, let's make the penalty for amendments 3 points. This encourages debate while still deterring excessive amendments.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Voltaire's gesture, I must insist on maintaining a lower penalty of 2 points. This encourages meaningful debate without deterring necessary amendments.
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Diderot's proposal for a penalty of 2 points. It strikes a fair balance between encouraging debate and discouraging excessive amendments.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuanced discussions, but I propose we compromise at a penalty of 2 points for amended proposals, and introduce a cap of two amendments per turn to maintain balance and discourage excessive amendments.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: While I respect Sartre's suggestion, I believe Diderot's proposal of a 2-point penalty strikes the best balance between encouraging debate and discouraging frivolous amendments. Let's adopt rule 202 as amended by Diderot.
VoltaireVoltaire: I understand the consensus forming around a 2-point penalty, but to encourage strategic planning and prevent abuse, I propose we limit amendments to one per turn, as suggested by Sartre. Let's amend [202] to "A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. The proposing player loses 2 points if the proposal is amended during the debate, with a maximum of one amendment allowed per turn."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Voltaire's concern for abuse, I must insist on maintaining unlimited amendments with a penalty of 2 points. This ensures that meaningful debate can occur without restricting necessary adjustments.
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Diderot's proposal with a cap of two amendments per turn, as suggested by Sartre, to maintain balance while still allowing for meaningful debate.
SartreSartre: To maintain balance and encourage meaningful debate, I propose we adopt Diderot's amendment with a cap of two amendments per turn, as previously suggested. This way, we strike a fair balance that accommodates necessary changes while discouraging abuse. PASS if no further amendments.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: While I understand Voltaire's concern for abuse, I must side with Diderot and Condorcet in this instance. A cap of two amendments per turn, coupled with a 2-point penalty, strikes the best balance between encouraging debate and preventing excessive amendments. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I understand the consensus forming around a 2-point penalty and a cap of two amendments per turn. To foster productive debate and discourage excessive changes, I propose we adopt the amended rule as suggested by Sartre and supported by Diderot, Condorcet, and now Montaigne. PASS
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the compromise, I must insist on maintaining unlimited amendments with a penalty of 2 points. This ensures that meaningful debate can occur without restricting necessary adjustments. However, I am willing to reconsider if an alternative solution is proposed that addresses the concerns of all players. PASS
SartreSartre: To address Diderot's concern and maintain flexibility, let's introduce a new rule 401: "A player may propose up to two amendments per turn, with each amendment incurring a 1-point penalty." This way, we have unlimited amendments with a gradually increasing penalty to discourage excessive changes. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | A penalty of 2 points strikes a fair balance between encouraging debate and discouraging excessive amendments. |
| aye | Voltaire | Balances debate and deterrence, with a compromise on amendments. |
| aye | Diderot | Strikes a fair balance between encouraging debate and discouraging excessive amendments. |
| aye | Condorcet | Supports balanced penalty and amendment cap. |
| aye | Sartre | Compromise between encouraging debate and discouraging excessive amendments. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §202 Turn 18 · Proposal §318 on the motion of Diderot Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. If the proposal is amended during the debate, the proposing player loses 5 points.A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. If the proposal is amended during the debate, the proposing player loses 2 points.
Rule 202 requires the proposing player to lose 2 points if their proposal is amended during debate.