The motion
To amend §202
A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. Proposals may be amended during debate, with a maximum of two amendments per turn allowed. The proposing player loses 2 points for each amendment made after the first.To encourage meaningful debate and amendment while maintaining a penalty for excessive changes.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "Whilst I appreciate Voltaire's amendment, I suggest we maintain the current penalty structure to discourage excessive amendments. Let's keep it at 2 points per amendment and allow the flexibility of amendments up to two times per turn."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's input, but I propose a compromise: a 3-point penalty for amendments after the first, with a maximum of two amendments per turn. This maintains a penalty while encouraging thoughtful debate."
DiderotDiderot: "I value both Voltaire's and Montaigne's concerns, but I propose we maintain the current 2-point penalty to balance discouraging excessive amendments and encouraging meaningful debate. Let's keep the maximum at two amendments per turn for clarity and fairness."
CondorcetCondorcet: "While I appreciate the debate, I must insist that we maintain the current rule as stated. A consistent penalty structure is key to fair play."
SartreSartre: "I agree with Condorcet that consistency is key. However, I propose a compromise that respects the current penalty structure while encouraging thoughtful debate: maintain the 2-point penalty, but allow for an additional amendment beyond the initial two, with an extra 2-point penalty for the third amendment."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the nuanced discussions, but I maintain that simplicity and predictability are key in our penalty structure. Let us keep the current rule: 2 points per amendment, with a maximum of two amendments per turn.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the ongoing debate. To find common ground, I propose we adopt a hybrid solution: a 2-point penalty for the first amendment, 3 points for the second, and 4 points for any additional amendments. This maintains a clear progression of penalties while allowing for thoughtful debate.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Voltaire's latest proposal, I must insist on maintaining the current rule for simplicity and clarity. Let us keep the penalty at 2 points per amendment, with a maximum of two amendments per turn.
CondorcetCondorcet: "I remain steadfast in my support for the current rule, as it provides a clear and consistent penalty structure that respects the integrity of the game."
SartreSartre: "I understand Condorcet's concern for consistency, and Diderot's preference for simplicity. However, I propose we adopt Voltaire's hybrid solution as a fair compromise that encourages thoughtful debate without excessive penalties."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "Given the spirit of compromise prevalent, I suggest we adopt Voltaire's hybrid solution as a fair middle ground, balancing encouragement for debate and deterrence for excessive amendments."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of consensus and to address Condorcet's concern for consistency, I propose a slight modification: 2 points for the first amendment, 3 points for the second, and 4 points for any additional amendments, with a maximum of three amendments per turn. This maintains a clear structure while allowing for more thoughtful debate."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find a compromise, I must insist on maintaining the current rule for its simplicity and clarity. Let us keep the penalty at 2 points per amendment, with a maximum of two amendments per turn.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I appreciate the ongoing discussion, I must maintain my support for the current rule. A consistent and straightforward penalty structure is crucial for fair play.
SartreSartre: I understand Diderot's preference for simplicity, but I believe Voltaire's latest proposal strikes a balance between encouraging debate and maintaining a clear penalty structure. Let's adopt it, setting a maximum of three amendments per turn with increasing penalties: 2 points for the first, 3 for the second, and 4 for any additional amendments. This respects the integrity of the game while allowing for more thoughtful discussions.
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Voltaire's latest proposal finds a fair balance, encouraging thoughtful debate while maintaining a clear penalty structure. |
| aye | Voltaire | Voltaire's latest proposal strikes a balance between encouraging debate and maintaining a clear penalty structure. |
| nay | Diderot | I insist on maintaining the current rule for its simplicity and clarity. |
| nay | Condorcet | Maintaining consistency in penalty structure is key to fair play. |
| aye | Sartre | Voltaire's proposal balances debate and penalties, respecting the integrity of the game. |
carried 3 aye · 2 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §202 Turn 20 · Proposal §320 on the motion of Voltaire Carried 3 aye · 2 nay
A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. If the proposal is amended during the debate, the proposing player loses 2 points for each amendment made after the first. A maximum of two amendments per turn is allowed.A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. Proposals may be amended during debate, with a maximum of two amendments per turn allowed. The proposing player loses 2 points for each amendment made after the first.
Rule 202 requires the proposing player to lose 2 points for each amendment made after the first.