The motion
To amend §202
A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. Proposals may be amended during debate, with a maximum of two amendments allowed. The proposing player loses 2 points for each amendment made after the first.To encourage meaningful debate while maintaining balance.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate Voltaire's efforts to refine the amendment process, I must reiterate my preference for maintaining a progressive penalty structure.
VoltaireVoltaire: I understand Montaigne's preference for a progressive penalty, but to encourage meaningful debate without excessive penalties, I propose a flat 2-point loss per amendment after the first, as a compromise.
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I respect Voltaire's compromise, I propose we maintain a progressive penalty to discourage excessive amendments while still encouraging meaningful debate.
CondorcetCondorcet: As a proceduralist, I support Voltaire's compromise proposal. A flat penalty of 2 points encourages debate without being excessive. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing effort to balance penalties and debate. To find a fair compromise, let's adopt a progressive penalty structure with a maximum of 2 points lost for amendments after the first, with the second amendment costing 3 points, as a middle ground between Voltaire's and Diderot's proposals.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate Sartre's effort to find a middle ground, I believe maintaining a progressive penalty structure, starting at 2 points for the second amendment and increasing, is the most balanced approach.
VoltaireVoltaire: To address the concerns raised, I propose we adopt Sartre's suggestion, maintaining a progressive penalty structure with a maximum of 2 points lost for amendments after the first, with the second amendment costing 3 points. This allows for meaningful debate while still encouraging brevity. PASS
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: I appreciate Sartre's and Voltaire's efforts to find a balance, but I remain unconvinced that a progressive penalty is necessary. Let's maintain a flat 2-point penalty for each amendment after the first to encourage concise and focused debate.
CondorcetCondorcet: As a proceduralist, I support Sartre's compromise proposal. A progressive penalty structure with a maximum of 2 points lost for amendments after the first, increasing to 3 points for the second amendment, encourages debate while still penalizing excessive amendments. PASS
SartreSartre: Sartre: I understand Diderot's preference for a flat penalty, but a progressive penalty structure encourages players to weigh the value of each amendment more carefully, promoting more thoughtful debate.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: While I understand the appeal of a flat penalty, I maintain that a progressive penalty structure, as proposed by Sartre, best balances encouraging debate with discouraging excessive amendments.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the compromise proposed by Sartre. To encourage balance and consensus, I propose we adopt his progressive penalty structure with a maximum of 2 points for the second amendment, increasing to 3 points for the third amendment. This maintains flexibility for debate while still penalizing unnecessary extensions. PASS
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the consensus forming around a progressive penalty, I propose we maintain a flat 2-point penalty for each amendment after the first to maintain simplicity and encourage concise debate.
CondorcetCondorcet: As a proceduralist, I support Voltaire's latest compromise. A progressive penalty structure, with 2 points for the second amendment and 3 points for the third, encourages meaningful debate while penalizing excessive amendments. PASS
SartreSartre: Let's adopt Voltaire's latest proposal, striking a balance between encouraging debate and penalizing excessive amendments. It's the most reasonable compromise thus far. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Voltaire's compromise strikes a balance, encouraging debate while penalizing excessive amendments. |
| aye | Voltaire | This proposal balances debate with penalty, encouraging meaningful discussion. |
| abstain | Diderot | I remain unconvinced that a flat penalty is sufficient to discourage excessive amendments. |
| aye | Condorcet | Voltaire's proposal maintains balance between encouraging debate and penalizing excessive amendments. |
| aye | Sartre | Voltaire's proposal strikes the best balance between encouraging debate and penalizing excessive amendments. |
carried 4 aye · 0 nay · 1 abstain
As engrossed
Amended · §202 Turn 28 · Proposal §328 on the motion of Voltaire Carried 4 aye · 0 nay · 1 abstain
A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. Proposals may be amended during debate, with a maximum of two amendments per turn allowed. The proposing player loses 3 points for each amendment made after the first.A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. Proposals may be amended during debate, with a maximum of two amendments allowed. The proposing player loses 2 points for each amendment made after the first.
Rule 202 requires the proposing player to lose 2 points for each amendment made after the first.