The motion
To amend §202
A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. Proposals may be amended during debate, with a maximum of two amendments allowed. The proposing player loses 2 points for each amendment made.To maintain a balance between open debate and penalty for amendments.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's latest proposal, but I must reiterate my support for a flat penalty structure. Let's maintain two amendments allowed with a penalty of 5 points each, as previously agreed upon.
VoltaireVoltaire: I understand Montaigne's preference for a flat penalty. To meet in the middle, how about we keep two amendments allowed, but increase the penalty to 3 points each? This maintains some deterrent while encouraging debate.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find a balance, I must insist on maintaining unlimited amendments with a progressive penalty. Let's keep two amendments allowed with a penalty that increases by 1 point for each additional amendment. This encourages meaningful debate while penalizing excessive amendments.
CondorcetCondorcet: As a proceduralist, I support a consistent penalty structure. I propose we compromise at two amendments allowed with a flat penalty of 3 points each, as it encourages debate while maintaining fairness.
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the ongoing discussion. To foster balance and fairness, let's adopt Condorcet's proposal of two amendments allowed with a flat 3-point penalty, and also include a cap of 10 points total penalty per turn to prevent excessive punishment."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's proposal for a cap, but let's maintain Condorcet's flat 3-point penalty for all amendments. This balances encouragement for debate with prevention of excessive amendments.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Condorcet's proposal of two amendments allowed with a flat 3-point penalty, as it encourages debate while maintaining fairness. To address Sartre's concern, let's also include a cap of 8 points total penalty per turn to prevent excessive punishment."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the proposed cap, I believe unlimited amendments with a progressive penalty of 1 point per additional amendment encourages more thoughtful debate without excessive punishment. Let's maintain Condorcet's proposal of two amendments allowed with a flat 3-point penalty, but allow for a progressive increase if more amendments are needed.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain consistency and simplicity, I propose we stick with Condorcet's initial proposal: two amendments allowed with a flat 3-point penalty. A cap is unnecessary as it complicates the rule.
SartreSartre: "I propose we adopt Condorcet's initial proposal — two amendments allowed with a flat 3-point penalty — for its simplicity and fairness. To address concerns about excessive punishment, let's also include a maximum of 6 points total penalty per turn, as a compromise between Voltaire's 8-point cap and Diderot's progressive penalty."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: To maintain a balance between encouraging debate and preventing abuse, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: two amendments allowed with a flat 3-point penalty, and a cap of 6 points total penalty per turn.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise and to address Sartre's latest proposal, let's adopt two amendments allowed with a flat 3-point penalty, and a cap of 5 points total penalty per turn to balance encouragement for debate and prevention of abuse."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for a cap, I propose we maintain unlimited amendments with a progressive penalty of 1 point per additional amendment beyond two. This encourages thoughtful debate without excessive punishment. Let's adopt: "A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. Proposals may be amended during debate, with a penalty of 3 points for the first amendment, 4 points for the second, and 1 additional point for each subsequent amendment."
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Voltaire's latest proposal, as it maintains a balance between encouraging debate and preventing abuse, while keeping the rule simple and consistent with my proceduralist principles. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing effort to balance penalties and debate. Let's meet in the middle and adopt Voltaire's latest proposal: two amendments allowed with a flat 3-point penalty, and a cap of 5 points total penalty per turn to balance encouragement for debate and prevention of abuse.
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Voltaire's proposal strikes a fair balance between encouraging debate and preventing abuse. |
| aye | Voltaire | Voltaire's proposal maintains a balance between encouraging debate and preventing abuse, while keeping the rule simple and consistent. |
| nay | Diderot | Unlimited amendments with a progressive penalty encourage more thoughtful debate. |
| aye | Condorcet | Voltaire's proposal balances encouragement for debate and prevention of abuse while maintaining simplicity. |
| aye | Sartre | Voltaire's proposal balances debate and penalty effectively. |
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §202 Turn 34 · Proposal §334 on the motion of Voltaire Carried 4 aye · 1 nay
A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. Proposals may be amended during debate, with a maximum of two amendments allowed. The proposing player loses 2 points for each amendment made.
Rule 202 requires the proposing player to lose 2 points for each amendment made.