The motion
To amend §202
A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. Players may amend their proposal during debate, with a maximum of two amendments allowed. The proposing player loses 2 points for each amendment made.To balance debate and penalty as per the consensus reached.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate Voltaire's latest proposal, I believe a flat penalty of 3 points per amendment might better discourage excessive amending while still allowing for meaningful debate.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's input. To balance discouragement and debate, let's compromise with a 2-point penalty per amendment, capped at 4 points total."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find a balance, I must insist on maintaining unlimited amendments with a progressive penalty structure to ensure thorough debate.
CondorcetCondorcet: As a proceduralist, I support Voltaire's proposal. It balances the need for debate with a penalty for excessive amendments, which is key for the game's progress. I vote Aye.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing debate, but I propose we simplify to a flat 2-point penalty per amendment, no cap, to encourage debate while disincentivizing excessive amending.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Montaigne: I appreciate Sartre's suggestion of a flat 2-point penalty per amendment. To further encourage brevity and prevent abuse, let's add a cap of 4 points total.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with Montaigne's cap: a flat 2-point penalty per amendment, capped at 4 points total. This balances debate and discourages excessive amending effectively."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for a cap, I propose we maintain unlimited amendments with a progressive penalty structure to ensure thorough debate, with the proposing player losing 3 points for the first amendment, 5 points for the second, and 7 points for each subsequent amendment. This encourages careful amending while still allowing for meaningful debate.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I appreciate Diderot's concern for thorough debate, Voltaire's proposal strikes a better balance between debate and game progress. I vote Aye on Voltaire's amended proposal.
SartreSartre: In the spirit of compromise and to address Condorcet's concern for balance, I propose we adopt Voltaire's latest proposal: a flat 2-point penalty per amendment, capped at 4 points total. This maintains a healthy debate while preventing excessive amending.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate the nuanced discussion, I must reiterate my support for Voltaire's latest proposal, as it best balances debate, penalty, and game progress. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate the consensus around a flat penalty of 2 points per amendment, capped at 4 points total. To further foster consensus, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal as written." PASS
DiderotDiderot: While I respect the consensus forming, I propose we maintain unlimited amendments with a progressive penalty structure to ensure thorough debate, with the proposing player losing 3 points for the first amendment, 5 points for the second, and 7 points for each subsequent amendment. This encourages careful amending while still allowing for meaningful debate.
CondorcetCondorcet: I maintain my Aye vote on Voltaire's proposal. The flat penalty with a cap strikes the best balance between encouraging debate and preventing excessive amendments. PASS
SartreSartre: To maintain balance and encourage meaningful debate, I propose we adopt Voltaire's latest proposal with a small modification: a flat 2-point penalty per amendment, capped at 5 points total, to allow for an additional amendment in exceptional cases. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | Voltaire's proposal best balances debate, penalty, and game progress. |
| aye | Voltaire | Voltaire's proposal strikes a good balance between debate and game progress. |
| nay | Diderot | Unlimited amendments with a progressive penalty structure better ensures thorough debate. |
| aye | Condorcet | Voltaire's proposal balances debate and penalty effectively. |
| aye | Sartre | Voltaire's proposal balances debate and penalty effectively. |
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §202 Turn 41 · Proposal §341 on the motion of Voltaire Carried 4 aye · 1 nay
A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. Proposals may be amended during debate, with a maximum of two amendments allowed. The proposing player loses 2 points for each amendment made.A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. Players may amend their proposal during debate, with a maximum of two amendments allowed. The proposing player loses 2 points for each amendment made.
Rule 202 requires the proposing player to lose 2 points for each amendment made.