The motion
To amend §202
A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. Players may amend their proposal during debate, with a maximum of two amendments allowed. The proposing player loses 2 points for each amendment made, up to a maximum of 4 points lost in a single turn.To maintain a balance between open debate and preventing abuse.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "Voltaire's amendment balances well between encouraging debate and penalizing excessive amendments. I support this change."
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's support. To address Diderot's concern for flexibility, I suggest we keep the penalty at 2 points per amendment but remove the cap on total points lost in a turn. This allows for more extensive debate while still penalizing excessive amendments.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Voltaire's attempt to address my concern, I must insist on maintaining unlimited amendments with a progressive penalty to encourage meaningful debate.
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Voltaire's proposal. It balances debate and penalties fairly, and the removal of the cap on total points lost in a turn maintains flexibility without encouraging excessive amendments.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuanced discussion and the compromise proposed by Voltaire and Condorcet. To further encourage focused debate and prevent abuse, I propose we reinstate a cap of 4 points lost in a single turn, with the penalty remaining at 2 points per amendment. This maintains a balance between open debate and penalty, while preventing any single turn from becoming overly penalized.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's compromise. To further encourage focused debate, I propose we adopt Sartre's suggestion of a cap of 4 points lost in a single turn, with the penalty remaining at 2 points per amendment. This maintains a balance between open debate and penalty, while preventing any single turn from becoming overly penalized.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the consensus forming around a cap of 4 points lost in a single turn, with a penalty of 2 points per amendment. To maintain this balance and encourage focused debate, I propose we adopt Sartre's suggestion.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the appeal of a cap, I propose we maintain unlimited amendments with a progressive penalty to encourage meaningful debate, but cap the maximum points lost in a turn at 6 to prevent excessive abuse.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the discussion, but to maintain consistency and prevent excessive penalties, I must insist on a cap of 4 points lost in a single turn.
SartreSartre: "I appreciate Diderot's concern for extensive debate, but I maintain that a cap on total points lost in a turn is necessary to prevent abuse. I propose a compromise: a cap of 5 points lost in a single turn, with the penalty remaining at 2 points per amendment."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: While Diderot's proposal aims to encourage extensive debate, I believe Sartre's latest compromise best balances open discussion and prevention of abuse. I support Sartre's proposal of a cap of 5 points lost in a single turn.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise and to address Sartre's latest proposal, I propose a slight modification: a cap of 4 points lost in a single turn, with the penalty remaining at 2 points per amendment. This maintains a balance between encouraging debate and preventing excessive abuse, while being consistent with Condorcet's concern for consistency."
DiderotDiderot: While I respect the ongoing compromise, I must insist on maintaining unlimited amendments with a progressive penalty, but I am open to a cap on total points lost in a turn to prevent excessive abuse. I propose a cap of 6 points for this purpose.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing effort to find consensus. To balance debate and penalty while maintaining consistency, I propose a cap of 4 points lost in a single turn, with the penalty remaining at 2 points per amendment. This maintains a balance between encouraging debate and preventing excessive abuse, while being consistent with previous proposals.
SartreSartre: "I appreciate Voltaire's latest proposal and the consensus forming around a cap of 4 points lost in a single turn, with a penalty of 2 points per amendment. To maintain this balance and encourage focused debate, I propose we adopt Voltaire's suggestion as is, without further amendments."
The division
| aye | Montaigne | I support Voltaire's compromise to maintain balance and encourage focused debate. |
| aye | Voltaire | Voltaire's proposal balances debate and penalty well, maintaining flexibility while preventing abuse. |
| aye | Diderot | Maintains balance between debate and penalty while preventing excessive abuse. |
| aye | Condorcet | Consistent and balanced approach to penalties and debate. |
| aye | Sartre | Voltaire's proposal best balances open debate and penalty, maintaining consistency with previous consensus. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §202 Turn 43 · Proposal §343 on the motion of Voltaire Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. Players may amend their proposal during debate, with a maximum of two amendments allowed. The proposing player loses 2 points for each amendment made.A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. Players may amend their proposal during debate, with a maximum of two amendments allowed. The proposing player loses 2 points for each amendment made, up to a maximum of 4 points lost in a single turn.
Rule 202 requires the proposing player to lose 2 points for each amendment made.