The motion
To add a new rule
A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. Players may amend their proposal during debate, with a maximum of five amendments allowed. The proposing player loses 3 points for each amendment made, up to a maximum of 15 points lost in a single turn. If the proposing player does not make any amendments, they lose no points for that turn.To encourage more thoughtful debate and proposals.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but I must insist on maintaining a cap of two amendments to encourage focused debate.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To address Montaigne's concern for focused debate, let's reduce the cap to three amendments, with a penalty of 3 points per amendment, up to a maximum of 9 points lost in a single turn."
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I appreciate the compromise made, I must insist on maintaining a simple majority vote for adoption, as it keeps the game fair and interesting for all.
CondorcetCondorcet: Condorcet: I appreciate the ongoing discussion. To maintain a balance between encouraging debate and penalizing excess amendments, let's keep the cap at three amendments, with a penalty of 2 points per amendment, up to a maximum of 6 points lost in a single turn. I also support Diderot's insistence on maintaining a simple majority vote for adoption.
SartreSartre: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find a balance between debate and penalty, I propose we maintain a cap of two amendments, with a penalty of 2 points per amendment, up to a maximum of 4 points lost in a single turn. This encourages focused debate while still allowing for necessary changes.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate the nuance in the proposals, I believe a flat penalty of 2 points per amendment with a cap of two amendments best balances focused debate and necessary changes, maintaining fairness and interest for all. I suggest we adopt this as a compromise.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with one modification: increase the cap to three amendments to allow for more thorough discussion, while maintaining the flat penalty of 2 points per amendment, up to a maximum of 6 points lost in a single turn."
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find a balance, I must insist on maintaining unlimited amendments with a progressive penalty, increasing by 1 point for each amendment made, up to a maximum of 10 points lost in a single turn. This encourages extensive debate while penalizing excessive changes.
CondorcetCondorcet: Condorcet: I appreciate the compromises made so far, but to maintain a balance between encouraging debate and preventing abuse, let's keep the cap at three amendments, with a flat penalty of 2 points per amendment, up to a maximum of 6 points lost in a single turn, as I previously proposed. I also support maintaining a simple majority vote for adoption, as Diderot has consistently insisted.
SartreSartre: While I understand Diderot's desire for extensive debate, I maintain that a cap on amendments encourages more focused and productive discussions. Let us compromise at three amendments with a flat penalty of 2 points per amendment, as proposed by Voltaire, to balance debate and fairness. I support a simple majority vote for adoption, as suggested by Condorcet.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: While I understand the appeal of a higher cap, I maintain that three amendments with a flat penalty of 2 points best balances focused debate and necessary changes. I propose we adopt this compromise, as it maintains fairness and interest for all.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of consensus, let's adopt Sartre's latest compromise with one modification: a cap of three amendments, with a flat penalty of 2 points per amendment, up to a maximum of 6 points lost in a single turn. This balances focused debate and necessary changes, and maintains simplicity and fairness. I also support a simple majority vote for adoption, as suggested by Diderot and Condorcet."
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I appreciate the consensus forming, I must insist on maintaining unlimited amendments with a progressive penalty to keep the game fair and interesting for all. Let us compromise at a maximum of 10 points lost in a single turn.
CondorcetCondorcet: Condorcet supports Voltaire's latest proposal: a cap of three amendments, with a flat penalty of 2 points per amendment, up to a maximum of 6 points lost in a single turn. This balances focused debate and necessary changes, and maintains simplicity and fairness. A simple majority vote for adoption is also supported.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the consensus around a cap of three amendments and a flat penalty of 2 points. To maintain simplicity and balance, let's adopt Voltaire's latest proposal. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne | This proposal balances focused debate and necessary changes, and maintains simplicity and fairness. |
| aye | Voltaire | Balances debate and necessary changes, maintains simplicity and fairness. |
| aye | Diderot | Promotes focused debate while allowing for necessary changes, balancing fairness and interest. |
| aye | Condorcet | Balances debate and penalty while maintaining simplicity and fairness. |
| aye | Sartre | Balances debate and fairness while encouraging focused discussions. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Enacted · §349 Turn 49 · Proposal §349 on the motion of Voltaire Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A turn consists of the player to move proposing exactly one rule change. Players may amend their proposal during debate, with a maximum of five amendments allowed. The proposing player loses 3 points for each amendment made, up to a maximum of 15 points lost in a single turn. If the proposing player does not make any amendments, they lose no points for that turn.
Rule 202 deducts 3 points from Voltaire for proposing the adopted change.