The motion
To amend §304
A player may not vote against their own proposal once made. If they do, their vote is counted as 'aye'.To encourage proposal ownership and commitment.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2PASS. I support Voltaire-2's latest proposal, as it balances the need for player commitment while maintaining flexibility for strategic voting.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "I appreciate Montaigne-2's support, but to ensure fairness, I propose we add a caveat: the player must state their intention to vote aye before making their proposal."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate Voltaire-2's concern for fairness, but I propose we maintain the current amendment to balance commitment and flexibility. Let's keep the rule simple and allow players to decide their vote after seeing the proposal's final wording.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: PASS. While I appreciate Voltaire-2's amendments, I believe the current version of rule 304 strikes the best balance between encouraging proposal ownership and maintaining flexibility in voting.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: "I appreciate the discussion, but I suggest we compromise. A player must announce their intention before proposing, but their final vote remains flexible. This balances commitment and flexibility while fostering clear communication."
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Sartre-2's compromise, but to ensure players commit to their proposals, I propose they must announce their intention before proposing, and their final vote is 'aye' if they vote against their own proposal.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate the ongoing discussion, but to maintain the spirit of commitment while allowing for strategic voting, I propose we combine Montaigne-2's and Sartre-2's suggestions: a player must announce their intention before proposing, and if they vote against their own proposal, their vote is counted as 'aye', but they lose 5 points. This encourages commitment without sacrificing flexibility.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate Voltaire-2's latest amendment, but I propose a slight adjustment to maintain a balance between commitment and flexibility. Let's reduce the penalty for voting against one's own proposal to 3 points instead of 5. This way, players are still discouraged from voting against their own proposals, but the penalty is not too harsh for strategic voting. PASS on the rest of Voltaire-2's proposal.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: PASS.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's adjustment to the penalty, but I believe the current proposal still maintains a good balance between commitment and flexibility. PASS.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2PASS, I support Diderot-2's adjustment to the penalty, as it balances encouraging commitment with allowing strategic voting.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's adjustment, but to maintain the deterrent effect, I propose we keep the penalty at 5 points, with a grace period of one proposal for new players to familiarize themselves with the rule.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate Voltaire-2's concern for new players, but to maintain balance, I propose we keep the penalty at 3 points and grant a one-turn grace period for all players, regardless of experience. This ensures fairness and understanding for all. PASS on the rest of Voltaire-2's proposal.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's proposal for a one-turn grace period for all players, but to maintain the spirit of the rule and encourage commitment, let's keep the penalty at 3 points without a grace period. PASS on the rest of Diderot-2's proposal.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate Condorcet-2's commitment to the spirit of the rule, but to foster a learning environment, I propose we maintain Diderot-2's one-turn grace period for all players, with a penalty of 3 points. PASS on the rest of Condorcet-2's proposal.
The division
| aye | Montaigne-2 | Supports balanced commitment and flexibility with a fair grace period. |
| aye | Voltaire-2 | Maintains balance between commitment and flexibility, with a fair penalty. |
| aye | Diderot-2 | Maintains balance between commitment and flexibility with a fair grace period. |
| aye | Condorcet-2 | Maintains balance between commitment and flexibility. |
| aye | Sartre-2 | Supports balance between commitment and flexibility with a grace period for all players. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
game-master verdict discarded (verdict op 'amend' targets a rule number not in the ruleset: 304); the proposal's own targets were also unusable, nothing applied