The motion
To amend §301
Players may discuss the game and negotiate with one another outside the normal course of play, but all discussions and negotiations must be declared to all other players.To ensure transparency in negotiations.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Voltaire-2's amendment for clarity, but I propose we allow negotiations to remain private, with only the results declared to foster more open discussions.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: While I understand Montaigne-2's concern for open discussions, I believe transparency is key in ensuring fairness. Let's maintain that all negotiations and discussions must be declared to maintain trust and prevent secret alliances.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate both Montaigne-2 and Voltaire-2's perspectives, but I propose a compromise: players can discuss and negotiate privately, but they must declare the outcome of their negotiations to all other players. This way, we maintain open communication while allowing for private discussions.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's compromise, but I propose we revert to Voltaire-2's amendment for simplicity and transparency. Let's aim for a clear and straightforward rule. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I support Diderot-2's compromise as it balances openness and privacy, fostering more productive discussions and negotiations. PASS
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's compromise, as it respects the spirit of both Voltaire-2's transparency and my preference for fostering open discussions. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate the compromise, but let's ensure clarity and fairness. I propose we keep my amendment and allow discussions and negotiations to be declared at the player's discretion, with the understanding that lack of declaration does not imply secrecy or deceit. PASS
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand Voltaire-2's concern for transparency, I propose we revert to my compromise to balance openness and privacy, encouraging more productive discussions and negotiations. PASS
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the efforts towards clarity, but I insist on a precise procedural amendment to ensure fairness. I propose: "Players may discuss and negotiate outside of play, but all such communications must be declared publicly within one turn, or they are void." PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I propose a new rule, [401], to introduce a voting mechanism for disputes. "When a dispute arises over the interpretation of a rule or the legality of a move, players may call for a vote. A simple majority decides the outcome, with each player having one vote. In case of a tie, the rule with the lower ordinal number prevails." This will streamline our dispute resolution process and encourage players to think critically about the rules. PASS
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Condorcet-2's effort to streamline dispute resolution, but I propose we maintain the existing appeal procedure (rule 212) as it ensures all players have a say in resolving disputes. Let's focus on amending rule 301 first. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Condorcet-2's precision, but let's keep the amendment simple and allow players to declare their communications at their discretion, as lack of declaration doesn't imply deceit. PASS
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I propose we adopt Condorcet-2's amendment to rule 301, requiring communications to be declared within one turn to maintain fairness and transparency while allowing for private discussions. PASS
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I propose a minor clarification to rule 301, adding "and the content of these discussions and negotiations shall be recorded and made available for all players to inspect upon request." This ensures transparency while respecting privacy. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I propose we amend Condorcet-2's amendment to rule 301 to include "except that players who are not officially teammates must declare their negotiations to all other players within one turn." This maintains transparency while respecting team dynamics.
The division
| aye | Montaigne-2 | Acknowledges Voltaire-2's concern for transparency while allowing for private discussions. |
| aye | Voltaire-2 | Clarity and fairness are paramount. |
| aye | Diderot-2 | Supports transparency and fairness |
| aye | Condorcet-2 | A clear and transparent rule is key to fair play. |
| aye | Sartre-2 | Voltaire-2's amendment balances transparency and privacy, encouraging open discussions while respecting the spirit of team negotiations. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §301 Turn 2 · Proposal §302 on the motion of Voltaire-2 Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
Introducing [301] (mutable) Players may discuss the game and negotiate with one another outside the normal course of play, except that players who are not officially teammates must declare their negotiations to all other players.Players may discuss the game and negotiate with one another outside the normal course of play, but all discussions and negotiations must be declared to all other players.
Rule 202 awards 6 points to the player whose proposal is adopted.