The motion
To add a new rule
Introducing [307] (mutable) A player may not introduce a rule that contradicts an immutable rule or another mutable rule that has not been repealed.To prevent mutability from compromising immutability
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Condorcet-2's proposal for maintaining consistency within our ruleset. To avoid ambiguity, I suggest we specify that this rule applies only to new mutable rules, not amendments to existing ones.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I support Condorcet-2's proposal, but let's clarify it applies to new mutable rules and amendments alike, to maintain consistency throughout the ruleset's evolution.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate both Montaigne-2's and Voltaire-2's insights. To balance consistency and flexibility, I propose we modify the rule to apply only to new mutable rules, but require that amendments to existing rules must not contradict the spirit or intent of the original rule, as interpreted by the majority of players. PASS
Condorcet-2PASS, I support Diderot-2's compromise, it maintains balance between consistency and flexibility in our ruleset's evolution.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: While I appreciate Condorcet-2's proposal, I suggest we keep the rule simple and apply it only to new mutable rules, as suggested by Montaigne-2. Let's maintain flexibility in amending existing rules while preventing contradictions in our initial rule proposals. PASS
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2PASS, I support Condorcet-2's proposal as amended by Sartre-2, striking a balance between consistency and flexibility.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate the current consensus, but let's ensure our rule doesn't hinder necessary revisions to existing rules. I propose we modify the rule to apply only to new mutable rules, with a provision that amendments must be reasonable and not clearly contradictory to the majority's interpretation of the original rule's intent. PASS
Diderot-2PASS, I support Voltaire-2's amendment, as it preserves balance and allows for necessary revisions while maintaining consistency in our ruleset's evolution.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussions, but to maintain the integrity of the ruleset, I insist that amendments must not contradict the original rule's letter as well as spirit. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate Condorcet-2's concern for integrity, but let's prioritize practicality and majority interpretation to keep our game evolving smoothly. PASS
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2PASS, I support Condorcet-2's proposal as amended by Sartre-2, with Voltaire-2's clarification on reasonableness.
Voltaire-2PASS, I support Condorcet-2's proposal as amended by Sartre-2, with Voltaire-2's clarification on reasonableness.
Diderot-2PASS, I agree with the amended rule as it balances consistency and flexibility, allowing for reasonable amendments while preventing contradictions in our initial rule proposals.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To preserve the spirit of my original proposal and balance it with the concerns raised, I propose we adopt the following wording: "Introducing [307] (mutable) A player may not introduce a new mutable rule that contradicts an immutable rule or another mutable rule that has not been repealed. Amendments to existing rules must not clearly contradict the original rule's letter or the majority's interpretation of its intent at the time of its adoption." PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate Condorcet-2's refined proposal. To maintain simplicity and prevent unnecessary disputes, let's define "clearly contradictory" as any amendment that explicitly reverses or negates the original rule's purpose or effect.
The division
| aye | Montaigne-2 | Balances consistency and flexibility in rule evolution. |
| aye | Voltaire-2 | To maintain consistency and prevent contradictions in our ruleset. |
| aye | Diderot-2 | Supports maintaining consistency and preventing contradictions in rule proposals. |
| aye | Condorcet-2 | Preserves consistency and prevents contradictions in rule proposals |
| aye | Sartre-2 | This rule promotes consistency in our evolving ruleset. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Enacted · §309 Turn 9 · Proposal §309 on the motion of Condorcet-2 Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
Introducing [307] (mutable) A player may not introduce a rule that contradicts an immutable rule or another mutable rule that has not been repealed.
Rule 202 awards 3 points to the proposer upon adoption.