The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted when at least 75% of eligible voters vote aye, or when all voters abstain. Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting.To encourage consensus building and discourage divisive rule changes.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "Montaigne-2, I appreciate your proposal for a more dynamic voting threshold, but I suggest we amend it to 66% instead of 75%. This would encourage more active participation while still allowing for progress. Let's also remove the 'all voters abstain' condition for clarity."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate both of your inputs. To keep the game engaging and fair for everyone, I propose we settle on a 70% threshold initially, dropping to a 50% majority after two full circuits. This balance encourages active participation and allows for progress without making the game too easy to swing.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the suggestions, but I believe a 75% threshold initially is necessary to ensure significant consensus before changes are made. However, I'm open to compromising at 70% as Diderot-2 suggests. Let's keep the 'all voters abstain' condition to allow for strategic abstentions. PASS
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I understand the concern for balance, but 70% offers a good compromise between encouraging participation and ensuring substantial agreement. Let's retain the 'all voters abstain' condition to preserve strategic flexibility. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I concede to Diderot-2's compromise of 70% initially, dropping to 50% after two circuits. Let's remove the 'all voters abstain' condition for simplicity and clarity. PASS
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I agree with Voltaire-2's simplification, let's remove the 'all voters abstain' condition. PASS
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the discussions so far, but I must insist on the 'all voters abstain' condition to preserve strategic flexibility. This condition is crucial for players to express their dissent or lack thereof. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I understand Condorcet-2's point about strategic flexibility, but I believe removing the 'all voters abstain' condition simplifies the rule and maintains a level of strategic play through voting decisions. Let's settle on a 70% threshold initially, dropping to 50% after two circuits, with no abstention condition. PASS
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the compromises made, but I must insist on keeping the 'all voters abstain' condition. It adds a layer of strategy and ensures that silent dissent is not overlooked. Let us settle on a 70% threshold initially, dropping to 50% after two circuits, with the abstention condition included. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise and to maintain strategic depth, let's keep the 'all voters abstain' condition. I'll support Montaigne-2's proposed changes with this addition. PASS
Diderot-2Diderot-2: Diderot-2: I understand the importance of strategic flexibility, but I believe the current proposal strikes a good balance. Let's keep the initial 70% threshold and the drop to 50% after two circuits, and remove the 'all voters abstain' condition to keep the rules clear and easy to follow. PASS
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: "I appreciate the nuanced discussions, but I must insist on the 'all voters abstain' condition for its strategic significance. To reach a compromise, let's maintain the initial 70% threshold and the drop to 50% after two circuits, and include the abstention condition."
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Sartre-2: While I understand Condorcet-2's insistence, I believe the 'all voters abstain' condition could lead to unnecessary complexity. Let's maintain the initial 70% threshold and the drop to 50% after two circuits, but remove the abstention condition to keep the rules simple and clear. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne-2 | Maintains strategic depth and promotes substantial agreement. |
| aye | Voltaire-2 | I support a 70% threshold initially, dropping to 50% after two circuits, with the 'all voters abstain' condition to preserve strategic flexibility. |
| aye | Diderot-2 | The amended voting threshold strikes a good balance between encouraging participation and ensuring substantial agreement, while keeping the rules clear and easy to follow. |
| aye | Condorcet-2 | Preserves strategic flexibility and encourages substantial agreement. |
| aye | Sartre-2 | The amended rule maintains a substantial initial threshold, encourages participation, and simplifies the voting process. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §203 Turn 1 · Proposal §301 on the motion of Montaigne-2 Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A rule change is adopted only when every eligible voter votes aye — unanimous consent — except that once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting.A rule change is adopted when at least 75% of eligible voters vote aye, or when all voters abstain. Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting.
Amended · §203 Turn 1 · Proposal §301 on the motion of Montaigne-2 Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A rule change is adopted when at least 75% of eligible voters vote aye, or when all voters abstain. Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting.A rule change is adopted only when every eligible voter votes aye — unanimous consent — except that once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting.
Rule 205 requires the proposer to gain points equal to the die roll upon adoption.