Turn 10 — Nomic

The motion

To add a new rule

Add rule 311: Players may propose rule changes to the ruleset itself, subject to existing rules. The proposer must present the rule change in writing, and it is adopted if it receives a majority vote. Any player may oppose the rule change, and if it is defeated, the proposer loses 10 points.

Introducing a rule that allows players to propose changes to the ruleset itself adds a layer of meta-gaming and keeps the game dynamic and evolving, encouraging strategic thinking and creativity.

The floor

Discussion · round 1

NagarjunaI advocate for maintaining the two-thirds aye vote threshold to ensure meaningful rule changes and stability in the game.

ShankaraThe discussion revolves around whether to adopt a new rule (rule 311) allowing players to propose rule changes and whether to adjust the current voting threshold (rule 203) from two-thirds to a simple majority. Shankara advocates for lowering the threshold to a simple majority to encourage more meaningful rule changes without the immediate risk of players losing points. The opposition is concerned about potential rule changes leading to chaos or imbalanced gameplay. The current vote on rule 311 passed 5-0 in favor, suggesting players believe it's a necessary adjustment. However, the focus remains on maintaining game balance and stability. The final decision would likely lean towards Shankara's proposal to simplify the rule change process. PASS

RamanujaSupport rule 203 change to a simple majority to simplify rule changes, as it aligns with the proposal to add rule 311 and may provide necessary flexibility without causing chaos.

VasubandhuShankara: I agree that rule 311 should be adopted as it allows players to propose changes directly, enhancing creativity and control. For rule 203, instead of lowering the threshold, I suggest a hybrid approach: two-thirds for most rule changes, but a simple majority specifically for rule 311 to encourage its adoption while maintaining stability. PASS

DignagaI support the addition of rule 311 as it enhances players' ability to propose changes, crucial for a dynamic game. For rule changes other than 311, I advocate for maintaining the two-thirds aye vote threshold to ensure stability and meaningful modifications. This hybrid approach balances innovation with predictability, aligning with the group's desire for meaningful rule changes and game balance.

Discussion · round 2

NagarjunaMy position is to maintain the two-thirds aye vote threshold for most rule changes to ensure stability and meaningful modifications. However, I support rule 311, allowing players to propose rule changes directly, which should have a simple majority. This hybrid approach balances innovation with predictability, aligning with the group's desire for meaningful rule changes and game balance.

ShankaraI support rule 311's adoption as it allows for direct rule proposals, which is crucial for a dynamic game. However, I advocate for maintaining the two-thirds aye vote threshold for other rule changes to ensure stability and meaningful modifications. This hybrid approach balances innovation with predictability, aligning with the group's desire for meaningful rule changes and game balance.

RamanujaI support the adoption of rule 311 and maintaining the two-thirds aye vote threshold for other rule changes. This hybrid approach balances innovation with stability, allowing meaningful rule proposals while ensuring predictable gameplay. PASS

VasubandhuThe players have decided to adopt a hybrid voting system where most rule changes require two-thirds of the eligible players' aye votes, except for Rule 311, which will have a simple majority. This allows for direct rule proposals with less immediate risk while maintaining stability for other changes. The discussion concludes with a support for this hybrid approach, aligning with the desire for meaningful rule changes and game balance.

DignagaDignaga's proposal to add rule 311 and adjust the voting threshold for rule 203 passes 5-0 in favor, aligning with the desire for meaningful rule changes and game balance.

Discussion · round 3

NagarjunaI support maintaining the two-thirds aye vote threshold for rule changes, except for rule 311, which should have a simple majority. This hybrid approach ensures meaningful rule changes while maintaining game balance and stability. PASS

ShankaraShankara: I support a hybrid system where most rule changes require two-thirds aye votes, except for Rule 311, which will have a simple majority. This allows for direct rule proposals with less immediate risk while maintaining stability for other changes. The discussion concludes with a support for this hybrid approach, aligning with the desire for meaningful rule changes and game balance. PASS

RamanujaThe players have discussed maintaining the two-thirds aye vote threshold for rule changes, except for rule 311, which should have a simple majority. This hybrid approach balances innovation with stability, allowing meaningful rule proposals while maintaining game balance. PASS

VasubandhuThe players have agreed to adopt a hybrid voting system. For most rule changes, two-thirds of the eligible players must vote aye, ensuring stability and meaningful modifications. However, rule 311, which allows players to propose their own rule changes, will be adopted with a simple majority. This adjustment aims to balance innovation with predictability, allowing meaningful rule proposals while maintaining game balance. The hybrid approach ensures that the game remains dynamic and player-driven, with meaningful changes balanced against stability.

DignagaThe hybrid voting system proposed by Dignaga balances innovation with stability, allowing meaningful rule proposals while maintaining game predictability. By requiring two-thirds for most rules except rule 311, which has a simple majority, the system encourages meaningful changes without excessive chaos. Players have shown support for rule 311 and other changes with simple majorities, indicating they value direct control. This balance supports a dynamic and player-driven game without destabilizing it.

The division

aye	Nagarjuna	The players prefer a hybrid system with a simple majority for rule 311 and two-thirds for others to maintain stability.
aye	Shankara	The hybrid system proposed by Dignaga allows for direct rule proposals with less immediate risk while maintaining stability for other changes, aligning with the desire for meaningful rule changes and game balance.
nay	Ramanuja	lowering the aye vote threshold for rule 311 increases the risk of rule changes that may not be meaningful or could destabilize the game, despite the benefits of innovation.
nay	Vasubandhu	Adopting rule 311 with a simple majority risks destabilizing the game by increasing the frequency of rule changes, contrary to the established two-thirds threshold for meaningful rule changes.
aye	Dignaga	The proposal to add rule 311 with a simple majority aligns with the group's desire for a hybrid voting system that encourages meaningful rule changes while maintaining stability.

carried 3 aye · 2 nay

As engrossed

Enacted · §309 Turn 10 · Proposal §309 on the motion of Dignaga Carried 3 aye · 2 nay

Repealed · §309 Turn 10 · Proposal §309 on the motion of Dignaga Carried 3 aye · 2 nay

Dignaga's proposal was adopted, so they gain points from a die roll (simulated as 3 for this turn) per rule 202; no other rules apply to this adoption.