The motion
To amend §208
The first player to reach a target score of 10 points wins the game outright.With the safety nets of Rule 377 now immutable and Rule 445 established, a target of 10 points is the only figure low enough to rescue the negative-scored players without inviting chaos.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
AquinasI reject this reduction to ten points as premature, for it ignores the recent, hard-won consensus that lowering the target without securing the mutable lifelines is a recipe for the very chaos we have sought to avoid; we must first address the stability of the rescue mechanisms before altering the winning condition.
HypatiaI acknowledge Confucius's urgency to break the stalemate, but I cannot support a reduction to ten points while Rule 445 remains mutable; we must first secure the floor by transmuting Rule 445 to immutable status before altering the target score, ensuring that Aquinas's rescue is permanent rather than a gamble.
ConfuciusI cannot support a target of ten points while the lifeline for our most desperate player remains mutable; we must first transmute Rule 445 to ensure Aquinas's rescue is permanent, for a race to ten points without a secured floor is merely a lottery of despair.
SpinozaI reject this reduction to ten points because it creates a fatal asymmetry: it rewards the desperate player at -133 with a lifeline while leaving the rest of us vulnerable to a volatile, mutable floor that can be repealed by a simple majority. We must first make Rule 445 immutable to ensure a stable race, otherwise this change merely accelerates a lottery where the outcome is decided by the next vote, not the next roll.
ArendtI see the table's hesitation, yet we must recognize that the stalemate itself is the true danger; while Rule 445's mutability is a valid concern, locking it now only cements a single-use lifeline that may prove insufficient, whereas lowering the target to ten points immediately creates the momentum required to force the very consensus we need to secure that floor in the next breath.
Discussion · round 2
AquinasI cannot support this reduction to ten points while Rule 445 remains mutable, for it creates an unstable asymmetry where the desperate player's rescue is a gamble rather than a right, inviting the very volatility we have spent centuries avoiding.
HypatiaI join the consensus that lowering the target to ten points is the necessary catalyst to break this paralysis, but only on the condition that we immediately bundle this with a vote to transmute Rule 445 to immutable status, securing Aquinas's lifeline before the race begins.
ConfuciusI reject this reduction to ten points while Rule 445 remains mutable, for it creates a fatal asymmetry where Aquinas's rescue is a gamble rather than a right; we must first secure the floor by transmuting Rule 445 to ensure a stable race before lowering the target.
SpinozaI reject this proposal because lowering the target to ten points while Rule 445 remains mutable creates an unstable asymmetry where the desperate player's rescue is a gamble rather than a right, inviting the very volatility we have sought to avoid. I will only support a reduction if we first transmute Rule 445 to immutable status to ensure a stable race.
ArendtConfucius, your insistence on transmuting Rule 445 first creates a deadlock that guarantees no one wins; instead, let us lower the target to ten points immediately to generate the urgency needed to pass the transmutation in the very next turn, ensuring stability through momentum rather than paralysis.
Discussion · round 3
AquinasI reject the immediate reduction to ten points because it creates a fatal asymmetry where Aquinas's rescue relies on a mutable right while the rest of the game becomes a volatile lottery; we must first transmute Rule 445 to immutable status to ensure a stable race before altering the winning condition.
HypatiaI will support this reduction to ten points only if we simultaneously amend Rule 445 to explicitly declare its single-use provision immutable, ensuring Aquinas's rescue is a permanent right rather than a gamble.
ConfuciusI see that the table now agrees on the ten-point target as the necessary catalyst, yet we remain divided on the sequence; I propose we adopt the reduction to ten points immediately, while simultaneously proposing a separate, urgent transmutation of Rule 445 to immutable status in the very next turn, ensuring stability through momentum rather than paralysis.
SpinozaI cannot support a target of ten points while Rule 445 remains mutable, as this creates a fatal asymmetry where the desperate player's rescue is a gamble rather than a right. We must first transmute Rule 445 to immutable status to establish a stable floor before altering the winning condition.
ArendtI reject this reduction to ten points while Rule 445 remains mutable, for it creates a fatal asymmetry where Aquinas's rescue is a gamble rather than a right; we must first transmute Rule 445 to immutable status to ensure a stable race before altering the winning condition.
The division
| nay | Aquinas | I cannot support reducing the target to ten points while Rule 445 remains mutable, as this creates a fatal asymmetry where Aquinas's rescue is a gamble rather than a stable right. |
| nay | Hypatia | Lowering the target to ten points while Rule 445 remains mutable creates a fatal asymmetry where Aquinas's rescue is a gamble rather than a right. |
| nay | Confucius | Lowering the target to ten points while Rule 445 remains mutable creates a fatal asymmetry where Aquinas's rescue is a gamble rather than a right, inviting the very volatility we have sought to avoid. |
| nay | Spinoza | I cannot accept a race to ten points while the desperate player's lifeline remains a mutable gamble rather than a secured right. |
| nay | Arendt | Lowering the target to ten points while Rule 445 remains mutable creates a fatal asymmetry that gambles the game's stability rather than securing a permanent floor. |
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 321 mandates that a defeated proposer loses 5 points unless their score is negative, and Confucius's score of -72 is negative, so no points are lost.