The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted only when every eligible voter votes aye, unless two full circuits of every player have passed, in which case the threshold drops to a simple majority of those voting, and this threshold shift is permanent unless a subsequent rule explicitly overrides this clause, provided that such overriding rule pertains solely to the adoption threshold mechanism.I seek to refine the scope of the permanent threshold override to ensure stability in our procedural consensus.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
AverroesMaimonides's amendment introduces a commendable constraint to the exception, yet I maintain that placing such a specific limit on subsequent overriding rules risks creating unnecessary legalistic friction.
MaimonidesAverroes is right to caution against unnecessary friction, yet Maimonides's restraint is vital for the system's coherence; perhaps we agree that the override must pertain to the threshold, but let it also restrict the *scope* of the change, not just its mechanism.
AlFarabiThe proposed restriction to the threshold mechanism is a necessary clarification for procedural certainty; I vote aye for this precise limitation.
AlGhazaliThe focus on procedural precision is laudable, AlFarabi, but Maimonides's proposed scope limitation is too narrow; if the rule governing the threshold is altered, the *nature* of the adoption itself is changed, and this change must be fully governed by the threshold's own spirit.
Discussion · round 2
MaimonidesAlGhazali raises a valid point regarding the spirit of the threshold; perhaps we can amend the proposal to state that the overriding rule must pertain to the threshold mechanism *and* that the change itself must not alter the fundamental definition of 'simple majority.'
AlFarabiThe refinement to limit the override to the threshold mechanism, coupled with the preservation of the definition of 'simple majority,' achieves the necessary procedural rigor without undermining the foundational stability of the adoption process. I support this precise delineation.
AlGhazaliThe insistence on limiting the scope of the override, while tidy, risks ossifying the necessary evolution of our governance. A truly fair mechanism must allow for broader interpretation of 'threshold mechanism' to permit structural improvements, not merely textual ones.
Discussion · round 3
AverroesMaimonides's proposed refinement, which preserves the integrity of the simple majority definition while constraining overrides, strikes the most balanced note for durable governance. I find this measured amendment preferable to AlGhazali's call for overly broad interpretation.
MaimonidesThe consensus appears to favor a constrained approach to prevent systemic drift while maintaining necessary flexibility; I concur with Averroes's assessment that Maimonides's latest refinement provides the most durable middle ground.
AlFarabiThe insistence on procedural precision demands that we limit the scope of any exceptional clause; therefore, the restriction to the threshold mechanism and the preservation of the 'simple majority' definition are the only acceptable boundaries for this amendment.
The division
| aye | Averroes | Maimonides's refinement strikes the most balanced note for durable governance by constraining overreach. |
| aye | Maimonides | This refinement balances procedural rigor with necessary flexibility for the system's long-term health. |
| aye | Avicenna | A constrained override preserves procedural integrity while allowing for necessary evolution. |
| aye | AlFarabi | The precise limitation on the override upholds necessary procedural rigor. |
| nay | AlGhazali | Constraining the override too tightly stifles the possibility of necessary systemic evolution. |
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §203 Turn 13 · Proposal §313 on the motion of Maimonides Carried 4 aye · 1 nay
A rule change is adopted only when every eligible voter votes aye, unless two full circuits of every player have passed, in which case the threshold drops to a simple majority of those voting, and this threshold shift is permanent, unless a subsequent rule explicitly overrides this clause.A rule change is adopted only when every eligible voter votes aye, unless two full circuits of every player have passed, in which case the threshold drops to a simple majority of those voting, and this threshold shift is permanent unless a subsequent rule explicitly overrides this clause, provided that such overriding rule pertains solely to the adoption threshold mechanism.
Amended · §203 Turn 13 · Proposal §313 on the motion of Maimonides Carried 4 aye · 1 nay
A rule change is adopted only when every eligible voter votes aye, unless two full circuits of every player have passed, in which case the threshold drops to a simple majority of those voting, and this threshold shift is permanent unless a subsequent rule explicitly overrides this clause, provided that such overriding rule pertains solely to the adoption threshold mechanism.
Maimonides' proposal was adopted, so he gains points according to rule 202, and the text amended rule 203.