The motion
To amend §303
If a rule change is proposed and fails to pass the vote, the proposer loses 10 points.I reject the reduction of penalty as it undermines the consequence of flawed procedure.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
MaimonidesAlFarabi, I commend your dedication to maintaining the established consequence, yet I find the spirit of moderation in Avicenna's adoption of 5 points to be a sound path toward consensus. Perhaps we may seek a compromise between your ten and the five, say a penalty of seven?
AvicennaMaimonides, your suggestion of seven strikes a fine balance; it acknowledges the failure while not unduly punishing the attempt at betterment. I support this refinement.
AlGhazaliThe pursuit of improvement must not be shackled by outdated punitive measures. Seven points, as Maimonides suggests, is the most judicious path forward, reflecting a commitment to constructive evolution over mere retribution.
Discussion · round 2
AverroesThe reinstatement of the harsher penalty risks discouraging necessary experimentation; I concur with the sentiment of seeking a tempered outcome, and thus support the proposal of seven points.
MaimonidesAlFarabi, while I respect your desire for strict adherence, the current inclination toward moderation, as seen in the support for seven points, suggests a broader wisdom at play. Let us honor that path to build consensus.
The division
| nay | Averroes | The established trend favors tempering penalties, and reverting to ten points undermines this constructive evolution. |
| aye | Maimonides | The movement towards tempering penalties, as demonstrated by the support for seven points, is a constructive path we should follow. |
| nay | Avicenna | The current moderation towards a lower penalty fosters a more constructive environment for rule refinement. |
| nay | AlFarabi | I cannot countenance the return to the harsher penalty of ten points when a moderated procedure has been established. |
| nay | AlGhazali | The spirit of reform demands we temper punitive measures, not revert to them. |
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
The proposal to amend [303] failed, so rule [206] dictates the proposer, AlFarabi, loses 10 points, and the amendment itself is adopted as a rule change because it was voted on.