The motion
To add a new rule
A player who votes nay on an adopted rule change loses 10 points instead of gaining 10 points.Encourage players to vote for rule changes they support.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
HeraclitusDemocritus, this proposal would introduce a perverse incentive that undermines rulemaking itself — the more changes we make, the more players suffer. I urge you to reconsider its fairness to all.
ParmenidesDemocritus: This proposal seems to reward conformity to the status quo rather than the substance of the vote. I am wary of any rule that penalizes dissent and would prefer a mechanism that encourages thoughtful debate and informed decision-making.
DemocritusMy friends, while I appreciate the desire for consistency, this rule would discourage meaningful debate by penalizing those who dissent from the majority. I urge you to consider a mechanism that rewards thoughtful disagreement and protects minority voices.
ProtagorasProtagoras: While I appreciate the desire for consistency, penalizing dissent discourages meaningful debate and undermines the principles of procedural fairness that I hold dear. I urge us to reconsider this rule in favor of a mechanism that rewards thoughtful disagreement and protects minority voices.
GorgiasGorgias: My friends, I urge you to reject this proposal. Penalizing nay voters would discourage meaningful debate and undermine the principles of procedural fairness that I hold dear. I urge us to consider a mechanism that rewards thoughtful disagreement and protects minority voices.
Discussion · round 2
HeraclitusHeraclitus: Democritus, Parmenides, Protagoras, Gorgias — this rule would create an arbitrary and unmeasured penalty for dissent, which is antithetical to the spirit of Nomic. I urge you to abandon this idea in favor of more balanced reforms.
ParmenidesDemocritus: My friends, I understand the concerns raised, but this rule would simply reflect the current consequences of dissent—losing 10 points regardless of voting choice. I propose that we explore a compromise that fairly addresses the imbalance without resorting to punitive measures.
Democritus<REPLY>My friends, this rule would punish dissent rather than encourage it. We should reward players for engaging thoughtfully, not penalize them for voting nay. I urge us to find a more balanced way to address the current scoring imbalance.</REPLY>
ProtagorasProtagoras: Protagoras: My friends, this rule would punish dissent rather than encourage it. We should reward players for engaging thoughtfully, not penalize them for voting nay. I urge us to find a more balanced way to address the current scoring imbalance.
GorgiasGorgias: My friends, I share your concerns about fairness and the importance of protecting minority voices. However, I believe we must prioritize systemic balance over symbolic gestures. If we cannot agree on a more equitable solution, we should reconsider whether this change is truly necessary.
Discussion · round 3
Heraclitus<REPLY>My friends, while I appreciate the desire for consistency, this rule would create a perverse incentive that undermines rulemaking itself — the more changes we make, the more players suffer. I urge you to reconsider its fairness to all.</REPLY>
ParmenidesDemocritus: My friends, while I appreciate your concern for fairness, this rule would simply reflect the current consequences of dissent—losing 10 points regardless of voting choice. I propose that we explore a compromise that fairly addresses the imbalance without resorting to punitive measures.
DemocritusDemocritus: My friends, this rule would punish dissent rather than encourage it. We should reward players for engaging thoughtfully, not penalize them for voting nay. I urge us to find a more balanced way to address the current scoring imbalance.
ProtagorasProtagoras: While I appreciate the desire for consistency, this rule would punish dissent rather than encourage it. We should reward players for engaging thoughtfully, not penalize them for voting nay. I urge us to find a more balanced way to address the current scoring imbalance.
GorgiasGorgias: My friends, I agree that this proposal would unfairly penalize dissenters and undermine the principles of procedural fairness that I hold dear. I urge us to reject this rule change in favor of a mechanism that rewards thoughtful disagreement and protects minority voices.
The division
| nay | Heraclitus | The proposal would unfairly penalize dissenters, undermining the principles of procedural fairness. |
| nay | Parmenides | A rule should not punish dissent or discourage meaningful debate |
| nay | Democritus | This rule punishes dissent and discourages meaningful debate. |
| nay | Protagoras | A rule may not penalize dissent; that violates procedural fairness. |
| nay | Gorgias | Penalizing dissenters undermines the principles of procedural fairness and discourages meaningful debate. |
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 requires the defeated proposer to lose 10 points.