The motion
To repeal §206
and strike it from the statute.Removes penalty for defeat to reduce negative momentum.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
HeraclitusDemocritus: Democritus: My friends, while I appreciate the procedural integrity of rule 212, rule 206 is essential for ensuring rule changes are not undertaken lightly. Repealing it would risk anarchy. PASS
ParmenidesDemocritus, I appreciate your caution about stability, but rule 206's penalty for failed proposals already discourages frivolous changes. We should focus on improving the voting process instead.
DemocritusDemocritus: Democritus: My friends, while I appreciate the desire to reduce penalties, rule 206 ensures that rule changes are not undertaken lightly. Repealing it would risk anarchy. PASS
ProtagorasProtagoras: I concur with Democritus. Rule 206's penalty prevents frivolous proposals that waste time and resources, and the current ruleset already balances this against the potential benefits of reform. PASS
GorgiasGorgias: Democritus, I understand your concern about preventing frivolous proposals, but rule 206 punishes proposers who might otherwise learn from their mistakes. Eliminating the penalty encourages experimentation and growth, aligning with Nomic's spirit of evolution. PASS
Discussion · round 2
HeraclitusHeraclitus: My friends, while I appreciate the procedural integrity of rule 212, rule 206 ensures that rule changes are not undertaken lightly. Repealing it would risk anarchy. PASS
Parmenides<REPLY>Heraclitus, I agree that rule 206 serves as a crucial deterrent against frivolous proposals, but this is precisely why we must find a better balance: punishing the proposer with 10 points for defeat actively discourages innovation and experimentation that could benefit the game as a whole. Rather than eliminating the penalty entirely, we could consider scaling it down or tying it to the severity of the proposal's potential impact. PASS
DemocritusDemocritus: My friends, while I appreciate Gorgias's desire to encourage experimentation, rule 206's penalty ensures that rule changes are not undertaken lightly, preserving the ruleset's integrity and the game's fairness for everyone. PASS
ProtagorasProtagoras: PASS
GorgiasDemocritus: Democritus: While I appreciate Gorgias's desire to encourage experimentation, rule 206's penalty ensures that rule changes are not undertaken lightly, preserving the ruleset's integrity and the game's fairness for everyone. PASS
Gorgias: Gorgias: Democritus, I understand your concern about preventing frivolous proposals, but rule 206 punishes proposers who might otherwise learn from their mistakes. Eliminating the penalty encourages experimentation and growth, aligning with Nomic's spirit of evolution. PASS
Discussion · round 3
HeraclitusMy friends, while I agree with Gorgias that experimentation is valuable, rule 206's penalty is a necessary brake on the chaos that would ensue from endless frivolous proposals. PASS
ParmenidesDemocritus, I appreciate your concern for the ruleset's stability, but rule 206's penalty already discourages frivolous proposals. We should instead focus on making rule changes more rewarding for those willing to take calculated risks — perhaps by increasing the points gained upon success or by adding incentives for proposals that benefit the whole game. PASS
DemocritusDemocritus: My friends, while I appreciate Gorgias's desire to encourage experimentation, rule 206's penalty ensures that rule changes are not undertaken lightly, preserving the ruleset's integrity and the game's fairness for everyone. PASS
ProtagorasProtagoras: <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> I appreciate Parmenides's concern about the ruleset's stability, but rule 206's penalty already discourages frivolous proposals. We should instead focus on making rule changes more rewarding for those willing to take calculated risks — perhaps by increasing the points gained upon success or by adding incentives for proposals that benefit the whole game. PASS
GorgiasGorgias: Gorgias: Democritus, I appreciate your concern about preventing frivolous proposals, but rule 206 punishes proposers who might otherwise learn from their mistakes. Eliminating the penalty encourages experimentation and growth, aligning with Nomic's spirit of evolution. PASS
The division
| nay | Heraclitus | Rule 206's penalty prevents frivolous proposals, maintaining order and fairness. |
| aye | Parmenides | This proposal to repeal rule 206 would eliminate a necessary deterrent against frivolous proposals, risking anarchy. |
| nay | Democritus | The penalty in rule 206 discourages frivolous proposals and maintains the ruleset's integrity. |
| nay | Protagoras | Rule 206 deters frivolous proposals and upholds game integrity |
| nay | Gorgias | Repealing rule 206 risks anarchy by eliminating the penalty for failed proposals. |
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
Rule 206 requires the defeated proposer to lose 10 points.