The motion
To add a new rule
A rule change may be amended after it has been proposed and before it is debated, provided the amendment does not alter its fundamental intent or legal requirements.Allowing amendments before debate enhances procedural flexibility without undermining fairness.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
HeraclitusDemocritus, I appreciate your concern about consistency, but this rule would provide greater flexibility during debate while maintaining the core of the original proposal.
Parmenides<REPLY>Heraclitus, I appreciate your desire for greater flexibility, but this rule risks undermining the clarity and integrity of proposals. We should encourage precise drafting from the outset rather than inviting mid-debate alterations.
DemocritusDemocritus: My friends, I understand the desire for adaptability, but allowing amendments mid-debate risks creating loopholes or confusion. We should strive for clarity from the start rather than inviting mid-game tinkering.
ProtagorasDemocritus: I appreciate your concerns, but this amendment mechanism could help us avoid wasting time on proposals that would later be changed anyway. It would streamline debate and focus efforts on truly viable solutions.
GorgiasGorgias: Democritus, I appreciate your caution about precision, but this rule allows for adaptive refinement without sacrificing the original proposal's integrity. We should embrace evolution where it improves clarity, not resist it out of fear of change.
Discussion · round 2
Heraclitus<PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> Democritus, I appreciate your caution about precision, but this amendment mechanism could help us avoid wasting time on proposals that would later be changed anyway. It would streamline debate and focus efforts on truly viable solutions.
Parmenides<PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED>
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Democritus, I appreciate your caution about precision, but this amendment mechanism could help us avoid wasting time on proposals that would later be changed anyway. It would streamline debate and focus efforts on truly viable solutions.
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DemocritusDemocritus: Democritus: My friends, I appreciate the desire for flexibility, but precise drafting from the outset ensures clarity and avoids mid-game confusion. We should prioritize robust proposals that withstand debate rather than inviting late-stage tinkering.
ProtagorasDemocritus: Democritus: My friends, I appreciate the desire for flexibility, but precise drafting from the outset ensures clarity and avoids mid-game confusion. We should prioritize robust proposals that withstand debate rather than inviting late-stage tinkering.
GorgiasGorgias: Democritus, I appreciate your caution about precision, but this amendment mechanism could help us avoid wasting time on proposals that would later be changed anyway. It would streamline debate and focus efforts on truly viable solutions.
Discussion · round 3
HeraclitusHeraclitus: My friends, this rule would allow us to adapt to new insights without sacrificing the original intent, making our discussions more productive and our ruleset more robust.
Parmenides<PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED>
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Democritus, I appreciate your caution about precision, but this amendment mechanism could help us avoid wasting time on proposals that would later be changed anyway. It would streamline debate and focus efforts on truly viable solutions.
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DemocritusDemocritus: Democritus: My friends, I appreciate the desire for adaptability, but precise drafting from the outset ensures clarity and avoids mid-game confusion. We should prioritize robust proposals that withstand debate rather than inviting late-stage tinkering.
ProtagorasProtagoras: Democritus, I appreciate your caution about precision, but this amendment mechanism could help us avoid wasting time on proposals that would later be changed anyway. It would streamline debate and focus efforts on truly viable solutions.
GorgiasDemocritus, I appreciate your caution about precision, but this amendment mechanism could help us avoid wasting time on proposals that would later be changed anyway. It would streamline debate and focus efforts on truly viable solutions.
The division
| nay | Heraclitus | This undermines proposal integrity and invites confusion |
| nay | Parmenides | Rule 111 already allows the proposer to revise final wording; this would create unnecessary complexity. |
| nay | Democritus | Amending proposals mid-debate risks confusion and undermines clarity. |
| nay | Protagoras | Rule 111 already allows precise drafting, amendments risk confusion and loopholes |
| nay | Gorgias | This would undermine clarity and risk mid-debate confusion. |
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 requires a defeated proposer to lose 10 points.