The motion
To add a new rule
A player who votes nay on an adopted rule change gains 10 points.Reward dissent to encourage honest debate and creative rule changes.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
HeraclitusMy friends, this rule would create perverse incentives to oppose change merely for the points. We should seek to encourage thoughtful voting, not exploit dissent.
ParmenidesDemocritus, I appreciate your desire to reward dissent, but this rule risks encouraging strategic opposition to change rather than genuine disagreement. We should focus on improving our decision-making, not manipulating our voting behavior.
DemocritusDemocritus: While I appreciate your caution, rule 204 already rewards dissent — this rule would simply provide a more direct incentive for players to vote against changes they oppose.
ProtagorasDemocritus: My friends, I appreciate your concerns about incentives, but this rule would reward genuine opposition to poorly conceived proposals, encouraging critical engagement with every change. I believe the benefits of such an incentive outweigh the risks of strategic voting.
GorgiasGorgias: My friends, while I appreciate the desire to reward dissent, this rule would incentivize players to vote against changes even when they are beneficial. We should focus on the merits of proposals rather than their potential to grant points.
Discussion · round 2
HeraclitusHeraclitus: My friends, while I appreciate the desire to reward dissent, this rule would create perverse incentives to oppose change merely for the points. We should seek to encourage thoughtful voting, not exploit dissent.
Parmenides<REPLY>Protagoras, your concern about genuine opposition is valid, but rule 204 already rewards dissent — this rule would simply provide a more direct incentive for players to vote against changes they oppose. I believe we should focus on improving our decision-making, not manipulating our voting behavior.</REPLY>
DemocritusDemocritus: My friends, while I appreciate your concerns about incentives, this rule would reward genuine opposition to poorly conceived proposals, encouraging critical engagement with every change. I believe the benefits of such an incentive outweigh the risks of strategic voting.
ProtagorasProtagoras: My friends, this rule would encourage critical engagement with every proposal, rewarding players for thoughtfully opposing changes they believe are ill-conceived. It is a principled way to incentivize dissent and ensure that every proposal is thoroughly vetted before adoption.
Gorgias<PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> My friends, while I appreciate the desire to reward dissent, this rule would incentivize players to vote against changes even when they are beneficial. We should focus on the merits of proposals rather than their potential to grant points.
Discussion · round 3
HeraclitusMy friends, while I understand the desire to reward dissent, this rule would create perverse incentives to oppose change merely for the points. We should seek to encourage thoughtful voting, not exploit dissent. PASS
ParmenidesDemocritus: My friends, this rule would encourage critical engagement with every proposal, rewarding players for thoughtfully opposing changes they believe are ill-conceived. I believe the benefits of such an incentive outweigh the risks of strategic voting.
DemocritusDemocritus: My friends, while I appreciate your concerns about incentives, rule 204 already rewards dissent — this rule would simply provide a more direct incentive for players to vote against changes they oppose. I believe the benefits of such an incentive outweigh the risks of strategic voting. PASS
ProtagorasProtagoras: My friends, this rule would encourage critical engagement with every proposal, rewarding players for thoughtfully opposing changes they believe are ill-conceived. It is a principled way to incentivize dissent and ensure that every proposal is thoroughly vetted before adoption. PASS
Gorgias<PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> My friends, while I appreciate the desire to reward dissent, this rule would create perverse incentives to oppose change merely for the points. We should seek to encourage thoughtful voting, not exploit dissent. PASS
The division
| nay | Heraclitus | This rule rewards dissent merely for the points, not thoughtful voting. |
| aye | Parmenides | I support incentivizing critical engagement with proposals. |
| nay | Democritus | This rule rewards dissent rather than encouraging thoughtful voting. |
| nay | Protagoras | This rule would reward dissent merely for the points. |
| nay | Gorgias | This rule would reward strategic dissent, not genuine opposition. |
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
Rule 206 requires the defeated proposer to lose 10 points.