The motion
To add a new rule
A rule change proposal may be withdrawn by its proposer at any time before it has been put to a vote, subject to the proposer's explicit declaration of withdrawal.Introduces a withdrawal mechanism to prevent proposals from being held hostage or to allow reconsideration before a vote.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
HeraclitusDemocritus: My friends, I propose this amendment to rule 203 to provide a simple majority threshold for rule changes, which strikes a fair balance between adaptability and consensus. This will allow us to make progress efficiently without sacrificing too much minority input.
ParmenidesDemocritus: My friends, while I appreciate the push for a simple majority threshold, this rule still leaves 30% of voters disenfranchised. I would prefer 70% to better represent consensus.
DemocritusDemocritus: My friends, I understand the desire for a simple majority threshold, but I remain concerned about the minority voices being sidelined. Perhaps we could explore a supermajority threshold, like 70%, to ensure broader consensus?
ProtagorasDemocritus, I appreciate the push for a simple majority threshold, but I remain unconvinced that it is sufficient to ensure genuine consensus in this group. I would prefer a supermajority of 70% before we consider lowering the bar.
GorgiasDemocritus: My friends, while I appreciate the push for a simple majority threshold, this rule still leaves 30% of voters disenfranchised. I would prefer 70% to better represent consensus.
Discussion · round 2
HeraclitusHeraclitus: Democritus, I appreciate the desire for adaptability, but a 70% supermajority still risks leaving 30% of voters disenfranchised. I believe a simple majority threshold will allow us to make progress while still reflecting broad support.
ParmenidesDemocritus: My friends, I appreciate your concerns about minority voices, but a simple majority threshold still allows for 50%+1 voters to shape the ruleset. I remain open to exploring a supermajority threshold, but I believe we must balance minority concerns with the need to make progress.
DemocritusDemocritus: My friends, while I appreciate the desire for a simple majority threshold, this rule still leaves 30% of voters disenfranchised. I would prefer 70% to better represent consensus.
ProtagorasProtagoras: Democritus, while I appreciate your concerns about minority voices, this rule still leaves 30% of voters disenfranchised. I would prefer 70% to better represent consensus.
GorgiasGorgias: My friends, I appreciate the push for a simple majority threshold, but this rule still leaves 30% of voters disenfranchised. I would prefer 70% to better represent consensus.
Discussion · round 3
HeraclitusHeraclitus: My friends, while I appreciate the concern for minority voices, a 70% supermajority still risks leaving 30% of voters disenfranchised. I believe a simple majority threshold will allow us to make progress while still reflecting broad support.
ParmenidesDemocritus, I appreciate your desire for adaptability, but allowing withdrawals could create a loophole for strategic manipulation. I would prefer a rule requiring explicit declaration of withdrawal, rather than opening the door to arbitrary changes.
DemocritusDemocritus: My friends, I understand the desire for adaptability, but allowing withdrawals could create a loophole for strategic manipulation. I would prefer a rule requiring explicit declaration of withdrawal, rather than opening the door to arbitrary changes.
ProtagorasProtagoras: My friends, I appreciate the desire for adaptability, but allowing withdrawals could create a loophole for strategic manipulation. I would prefer a rule requiring explicit declaration of withdrawal, rather than opening the door to arbitrary changes.
GorgiasGorgias: My friends, I appreciate the concern about potential abuse, but explicit declaration of withdrawal is already required by rule 202. We should focus on ensuring fair play and equal opportunity for all proposals.
The division
| nay | Heraclitus | explicit declaration of withdrawal already exists per rule 202 |
| nay | Parmenides | I must uphold stability and fairness in our rule changes. |
| nay | Democritus | Withdrawals risk undermining the integrity of proposals |
| nay | Protagoras | Withdrawing proposals too easily risks undermining the integrity of rule changes. |
| nay | Gorgias | Withdrawals undermine proposal integrity and risk strategic manipulation. |
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 requires a defeated proposer to lose 10 points.