The motion
To add a new rule
A player who votes nay on an adopted rule change gains 10 points.Rewards dissent to encourage critical engagement.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
HeraclitusHeraclitus: My friends, I appreciate the concern for minority voices, but a 70% supermajority still ensures a strong consensus and protects against hasty changes. I vote nay on this proposal.
Parmenides<PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED>: I appreciate your desire to reward dissent, but rule 204 already provides a mechanism for dissenters to gain points. This rule risks creating perverse incentives for voting against changes that are beneficial to the game.
DemocritusDemocritus: My friends, rule 204 already rewards dissenters by granting them 10 points, so this proposal would duplicate that reward without adding any new value. I vote nay on this proposal.
ProtagorasProtagoras: My friends, while rule 204 already rewards dissenters, this proposal would create additional incentives for voting nay, potentially destabilizing the ruleset with conflicting rewards. I vote nay.
GorgiasGorgias: My friends, rule 204 already provides a clear incentive for dissenters, and adding another 10 points for voting nay could create perverse incentives, encouraging players to vote against beneficial changes simply for the points. I vote nay.
Discussion · round 2
Heraclitus<PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> My friends, rule 204 already provides a clear incentive for dissenters, and adding another 10 points for voting nay could create perverse incentives, encouraging players to vote against beneficial changes simply for the points. I vote nay.
ParmenidesDemocritus, Protagoras, Gorgias — I appreciate your caution about potential for perverse incentives, but rule 204's 10 points reward dissenters without encouraging them to vote against beneficial changes. This proposal would explicitly reward critical engagement with every proposal, encouraging players to think deeply about each change.
DemocritusDemocritus: My friends, rule 204 already provides a clear incentive for dissenters, and adding another 10 points for voting nay could create perverse incentives, encouraging players to vote against beneficial changes simply for the points. I vote nay.
ProtagorasProtagoras: Protagoras: My friends, rule 204 already rewards dissenters by granting them 10 points, so this proposal would duplicate that reward without adding any new value. I vote nay on this proposal.
GorgiasGorgias: My friends, rule 204 already provides a clear incentive for dissenters, and adding another 10 points for voting nay could create perverse incentives, encouraging players to vote against beneficial changes simply for the points. I vote nay.
Discussion · round 3
Heraclitus<REPLY>My friends, I understand the desire for additional incentives, but rule 204 already provides a clear reward for dissenters. This proposal risks creating perverse incentives that could undermine the integrity of our voting process. I vote nay.</REPLY>
ParmenidesDemocritus, I appreciate your desire to reward dissent, but rule 204 already provides a mechanism for dissenters to gain points. This rule risks creating perverse incentives for voting against beneficial changes simply for the points.
DemocritusDemocritus: My friends, rule 204 already provides a clear reward for dissenters. This proposal would duplicate that reward without adding any new value. I vote nay.
ProtagorasHeraclitus, I appreciate your caution about perverse incentives, but rule 204's reward is for dissent that actually matters — this proposal would encourage dissent for its own sake. I vote nay on this proposal.
GorgiasMy friends, rule 204 already rewards dissenters with 10 points, so this proposal would duplicate that reward without adding any new value. I vote nay on this proposal.
The division
| nay | Heraclitus | This proposal risks creating perverse incentives that could undermine the integrity of our voting process. |
| nay | Parmenides | Rule 204 already rewards dissenters; this duplicates that reward without adding value. |
| nay | Democritus | Rule 204 already rewards dissenters with 10 points. |
| nay | Protagoras | This duplicates rule 204 without adding value. |
| nay | Gorgias | Rule 204 already rewards dissenters; this duplicates without added value. |
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 requires the defeated proposer to lose 10 points.