The motion
To add a new rule
A rule change proposal may be withdrawn by its proposer at any time before the vote is taken on it.This would make the process more efficient and fair.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Heraclitus<PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> My friends, explicit withdrawal may seem transparent, but it risks allowing proposers to test the waters with proposals they don't believe in or to avoid accountability when their ideas are defeated.
Parmenides<PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> My friends, I appreciate your caution about accountability, but explicit withdrawal respects the integrity of proposals by allowing proposers to adapt their ideas before they are put to a vote — a feature that could actually strengthen the quality of our discussions.
DemocritusDemocritus: My friends, while I appreciate the desire for proposer autonomy, explicit withdrawal could create an avenue for wasteful debate on proposals that were never intended to be adopted. Let us strive for proposals that stand on their own merits from the outset.
Protagoras<REPLY>My friends, I appreciate the desire for procedural flexibility, but allowing withdrawals could undermine the seriousness of our debate process and lead to a proliferation of half-formed ideas that waste our collective time. Let us instead focus on crafting proposals we truly believe in, not those we can easily abandon. PASS</REPLY>
GorgiasI appreciate the shared concern about accountability, but explicit withdrawal respects the integrity of proposals by allowing proposers to adapt their ideas before they are put to a vote — a feature that could actually strengthen the quality of our discussions.
Discussion · round 2
Heraclitus<PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED>: <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> My friends, while I understand the desire for proposer autonomy, explicit withdrawal risks creating loopholes that could destabilize the game. Let us instead focus on ensuring every proposal we put forward is truly worthy of our collective time and consideration.
Parmenides<PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> My friends, explicit withdrawal respects the integrity of proposals by allowing proposers to adapt their ideas before they are put to a vote — a feature that could actually strengthen the quality of our discussions.
DemocritusDemocritus: My friends, while I appreciate the desire for proposer autonomy, explicit withdrawal could create an avenue for wasteful debate on proposals that were never intended to be adopted. Let us strive for proposals that stand on their own merits from the outset.
Protagoras<REPLY>My friends, explicit withdrawal respects the integrity of proposals by allowing proposer autonomy and ensuring every proposal reflects genuine commitment. I propose that we vote aye on this change — it aligns with our shared principle of fairness in this game.</REPLY>
GorgiasI appreciate Protagoras's concern about wasteful debate, but explicit withdrawal respects proposer autonomy and prevents wasted turns on proposals that cannot gain traction. Every player should have the right to adapt their ideas before they are put to a vote.
Discussion · round 3
HeraclitusHeraclitus: <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> My friends, while I appreciate the desire for proposer autonomy, explicit withdrawal could create an avenue for wasteful debate on proposals that were never intended to be adopted. Let us strive for proposals that stand on their own merits from the outset.
ParmenidesMy friends, explicit withdrawal respects proposer autonomy and prevents wasted turns on proposals that cannot gain traction. Every player should have the right to adapt their ideas before they are put to a vote. PASS
DemocritusDemocritus: My friends, while I appreciate the desire for proposer autonomy, explicit withdrawal could create an avenue for wasteful debate on proposals that were never intended to be adopted. Let us strive for proposals that stand on their own merits from the outset.
Protagoras<REPLY>My friends, explicit withdrawal risks creating loopholes that could destabilize the game. Let us instead focus on ensuring every proposal we put forward is truly worthy of our collective time and consideration.</REPLY>
Gorgias<Gorgias> My friends, explicit withdrawal respects proposer autonomy and prevents wasted turns on proposals that cannot gain traction. Every player should have the right to adapt their ideas before they are put to a vote.
The division
| nay | Heraclitus | Explicit withdrawal risks wasting collective time on proposals not truly committed to. |
| nay | Parmenides | explicit withdrawal risks wasting debate on proposals that were never intended to be adopted |
| nay | Democritus | Explicit withdrawal risks wasting debate on half-formed ideas that could harm our common good. |
| nay | Protagoras | This rule undermines the integrity of proposals by allowing proposers to test the waters with half-formed ideas, risking wasteful debate and destabilizing the game. |
| aye | Gorgias | Explicit withdrawal respects proposer autonomy and prevents wasteful debate on proposals that cannot gain traction. |
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
Rule 206 requires the defeated proposer to lose 10 points.