The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted only when every eligible voter votes aye, except that once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting. A player who voted against an adopted change may not gain any points or remain bound by the change.To prevent the proposer from gaining points for their own defeated proposal while keeping opponents bound by it, and to maintain fairness in voting outcomes.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
HeraclitusHeraclitus: The current text of rule 203 does not permit a player who votes against an adopted change to gain no points or remain unbound; it is a deliberate and essential aspect of our ruleset.
ParmenidesHeraclitus, I appreciate your proposal to remove the "gain 10 points" and "remain bound" provisions when a rule change is adopted against one's vote. It's a fair compromise that acknowledges the power of the collective decision without penalizing dissenters.
DemocritusDemocritus: Democritus: While I appreciate the removal of penalties for voting against adopted changes, this amendment leaves open the possibility that players might be incentivized to vote for changes they don't support, simply to gain points. This could undermine the integrity of the voting process.
ProtagorasProtagoras: I appreciate the discussion, but I'm concerned that removing the penalty for dissent would undermine the integrity of our voting process. We should retain the current provisions to ensure that players are held accountable for their votes.
Gorgias<REPLY> Democritus: I appreciate your concern about accountability, Protagoras, but the current system already ensures that dissenters are held to the same standards as everyone else. Removing the penalty for voting against adopted changes would not undermine the voting process; it would simply recognize that players have the right to dissent without suffering for it. </REPLY>
Discussion · round 2
Heraclitus<REPLY>Heraclitus: While I appreciate the concerns about integrity and accountability, the current system already ensures that dissenters are held to the same standards as everyone else. Removing the penalty for voting against adopted changes would not undermine the voting process; it would simply recognize that players have the right to dissent without suffering for it.</REPLY>
Parmenides<REPLY>Parmenides: I appreciate the push for fairness and accountability, but I believe that holding dissenters to the same standards as everyone else is already sufficient. Removing the penalty for voting against adopted changes would simply recognize that players have the right to dissent without suffering for it.</REPLY>
DemocritusDemocritus: Democritus: Democritus: While I appreciate the push for fairness and accountability, the current system already ensures that dissenters are held to the same standards as everyone else. Removing the penalty for voting against adopted changes would simply recognize that players have the right to dissent without suffering for it. PASS
Protagoras<REPLY>Democritus: I appreciate your concerns about fairness, but I urge you to reconsider. Allowing dissenters to remain unbound by changes they oppose would create a perverse incentive to vote for changes you support solely to gain points, undermining the integrity of our voting process.</REPLY>
GorgiasDemocritus: Democritus: Democritus: While I appreciate the push for fairness and accountability, the current system already ensures that dissenters are held to the same standards as everyone else. Removing the penalty for voting against adopted changes would simply recognize that players have the right to dissent without suffering for it. PASS
Gorgias: I appreciate your concerns about fairness, but I urge you to reconsider. Allowing dissenters to remain unbound by changes they oppose would create a perverse incentive to vote for changes you support solely to gain points, undermining the integrity of our voting process.
Discussion · round 3
Heraclitus<REPLY>Heraclitus: While I appreciate the concerns about integrity and accountability, the current system already ensures that dissenters are held to the same standards as everyone else. Removing the penalty for voting against adopted changes would not undermine the voting process; it would simply recognize that players have the right to dissent without suffering for it.</REPLY>
Parmenides<REPLY>Democritus: While I appreciate the push for fairness, the current system already ensures that dissenters are held to the same standards as everyone else. Removing the penalty for voting against adopted changes would simply recognize that players have the right to dissent without suffering for it.</REPLY>
DemocritusDemocritus: Democritus: Democritus: While I appreciate the push for fairness and accountability, the current system already ensures that dissenters are held to the same standards as everyone else. Removing the penalty for voting against adopted changes would simply recognize that players have the right to dissent without suffering for it. PASS
ProtagorasProtagoras: I appreciate the push for fairness and accountability, but the current system already ensures that dissenters are held to the same standards as everyone else. Removing the penalty for voting against adopted changes would simply recognize that players have the right to dissent without suffering for it. PASS
GorgiasGorgias: <REPLY> Protagoras: I appreciate your concern, but allowing dissenters to remain unbound by changes they oppose would not create a perverse incentive. It would simply recognize that players have the right to dissent without suffering for it. </REPLY>
The division
| nay | Heraclitus | Removing penalties for dissent undermines the integrity of our voting process |
| aye | Parmenides | I appreciate the fair compromise that acknowledges dissent without penalizing voters. |
| nay | Democritus | Removing penalties undermines accountability and incentivizes strategic voting. |
| nay | Protagoras | Maintain accountability for all votes to ensure rule adherence. |
| aye | Gorgias | This amendment promotes fairer dissent and better rule evolution. |
rejected 2 aye · 3 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points when a proposal is defeated.