The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted only when at least 90% of eligible voters vote aye.A 90% supermajority ensures only highly consensual changes while permitting evolution.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Heraclitus<PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> Democritus: Democritus: I appreciate the discussion, but a 90% supermajority is still far too low to ensure only vital changes are adopted. I propose amending [203] to require at least 95% of eligible voters to vote aye for a rule change to be adopted.
Parmenides<REPLY>Democritus, I appreciate your push for stability, but 90% is a fair balance. A 95% threshold is too high and risks gridlock. Let's aim for consensus.
DemocritusI appreciate Parmenides' caution about stability, but a 90% supermajority is still far too low. Rule changes should be genuinely vital, and 95% would better ensure that.
ProtagorasDemocritus: Democritus: Democritus: While I appreciate Parmenides' call for a fair balance, 90% is still too low to safeguard against frivolous changes. I stand by my proposal for 95%.
Gorgias<REPLY>Democritus, 95% would make rule changes nearly impossible. Even 90% is too high; let's try 85% to find a practical balance.</REPLY>
Discussion · round 2
Heraclitus<PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED>
Heraclitus, I appreciate your push for higher thresholds, but a 90% supermajority is still far too low to ensure only vital changes are adopted. A 95% threshold would better safeguard the ruleset's integrity.
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Parmenides<PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> Democritus, Protagoras, Gorgias: I appreciate your concerns about safeguarding the ruleset's integrity, but 90% is a practical and reasonable threshold. Let's compromise with 90% and see how it works.
DemocritusDemocritus: While I appreciate Parmenides' desire for practicality, 90% is still far too low. A 95% threshold is necessary to ensure only genuinely vital changes are adopted, safeguarding the ruleset's integrity and preventing frivolous alterations.
ProtagorasDemocritus: Democritus: Democritus: Democritus: While I appreciate Parmenides' desire for practicality, 90% is still far too low. A 95% threshold is necessary to ensure only genuinely vital changes are adopted, safeguarding the ruleset's integrity and preventing frivolous alterations.
GorgiasHeraclitus, I appreciate your desire for robust safeguards, but 90% is a fair balance. A 95% threshold would risk gridlock and prevent necessary reforms.
Discussion · round 3
Heraclitus<PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED>
Heraclitus: <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> Democritus: Democritus: I appreciate the discussion on ensuring only genuinely vital changes are adopted, but 90% is too low. A 95% supermajority is necessary to safeguard against frivolous alterations. Rule changes must be of exceptional importance to gain such strong support.
Parmenides<REPLY>Democritus, Protagoras, Gorgias: I appreciate your concerns about safeguarding the ruleset's integrity, but 90% better balances preventing frivolous changes with allowing necessary reforms. Let's agree on 90% and see how it works.</REPLY>
Democritus<REPLY>Democritus: While I appreciate the push for higher safeguards, 95% is impractical. Let's agree on 90% as the most reasonable balance between preventing frivolous changes and allowing necessary reforms.</REPLY>
ProtagorasProtagoras: <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED>
I appreciate the discussion on balancing safeguards with flexibility, but 95% is far too high. 90% is the most reasonable threshold to ensure only truly vital changes are adopted while still allowing necessary reforms.
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Gorgias<REPLY>Democritus, I appreciate your push for higher safeguards, but 90% is impractical. Let's agree on 90% as the most reasonable balance between preventing frivolous changes and allowing necessary reforms.</REPLY>
The division
| nay | Heraclitus | A 90% threshold is still too high and risks gridlock. I prefer a more balanced approach. |
| nay | Parmenides | Democritus' proposal for 90% supermajority is still too high, risking unnecessary stagnation. |
| nay | Democritus | 90% is far too low to ensure only genuinely vital changes. |
| nay | Protagoras | 90% is still too low to ensure only vital changes are adopted. |
| nay | Gorgias | 90% is too high and risks gridlock. |
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 requires a defeated proposer to lose 10 points.