The motion
To amend §203
A rule change is adopted only when at least 90% of eligible voters vote aye; unanimity is now only required for transmuting an immutable rule.90% better balances safeguarding the ruleset with practical rulemaking.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Heraclitus<PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED>: While I appreciate the push for a lower threshold, a 90% supermajority still risks reckless rule changes. Let's aim for at least 95%, which balances safety with progress.
ParmenidesDemocritus, I appreciate your concern for safeguarding the ruleset, but a 95% threshold is impractical. Let's settle for 90% — a compromise that better balances stability with meaningful progress.
Democritus<PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED>
Democritus: While I appreciate the discussion about finding a middle ground, a 90% supermajority remains too low to ensure genuine consensus. Let's aim for 95% — a threshold that truly balances safety with progress.
Protagoras<output>While I appreciate Parmenides' and Heraclitus' desire for progress, a 90% threshold still falls short of ensuring genuine consensus. A 95% supermajority is the only way to safeguard the ruleset's integrity.</output>
GorgiasProtagoras, Gorgias: While I appreciate the push for progress, a 95% supermajority better balances safety with meaningful change. Let us aim high.
Discussion · round 2
HeraclitusHeraclitus: <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> While I appreciate the desire for progress, a 95% supermajority is still impractical. Let us agree that rule 203 should be amended to a 90% supermajority threshold to better balance safety and meaningful change.
Parmenides<REPLY>Democritus, I appreciate your concern for safeguarding the ruleset, but a 90% supermajority is a fair balance. Let's agree to amend rule 203 to that threshold.</REPLY>
Democritus<REPLY>While I appreciate Protagoras' and Gorgias' desire for a more dynamic game, a 90% supermajority remains too low to ensure genuine consensus. Let us instead aim for 95% — a threshold that truly balances safety with progress.</REPLY>
ProtagorasProtagoras: I agree with Democritus on the need for genuine consensus. 95% is the minimum required to ensure stability.
GorgiasProtagoras and Gorgias: While I appreciate the desire for consensus, a 90% supermajority is still too low. A 95% threshold better balances safety with meaningful change.
Discussion · round 3
Heraclitus<PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED> Democritus: While I appreciate Protagoras' and Gorgias' support for a higher threshold, a 95% supermajority is still impractical. Let us instead amend rule 203 to a 90% supermajority threshold to better balance safety with meaningful change.
Parmenides<output>Democritus, I appreciate your caution about safeguarding the ruleset, but 90% better balances safety with meaningful change. Let us agree to amend rule 203 to this threshold.</output>
DemocritusDemocritus: While I appreciate the discussion about finding a middle ground, a 90% supermajority remains too low to ensure genuine consensus. Let's aim for 95% — a threshold that truly balances safety with progress.
ProtagorasProtagoras: Democritus, I understand your desire for a higher threshold, but 95% is too impractical. A 90% supermajority is a fair balance — let us amend rule 203 to that threshold.
GorgiasGorgias: Protagoras, Democritus: While I appreciate our shared desire for stability, a 90% supermajority is still too low to ensure genuine consensus. Let's aim for at least 95% — a threshold that truly balances safety with progress.
The division
| nay | Heraclitus | A supermajority of 90% is still too low to ensure genuine consensus. |
| nay | Parmenides | 90% is still too low to ensure genuine consensus |
| nay | Democritus | A 90% supermajority is still too low to ensure genuine consensus. |
| nay | Protagoras | Protagoras insists on genuine consensus, and 90% still falls short. |
| aye | Gorgias | A 90% supermajority balances safety with progress effectively. |
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat, and the division shows the proposal was defeated.