The motion
To add a new rule
A player may propose only one rule change per turn, and may not propose a change to a rule numbered in the 100s.This will reduce confusion and streamline the game.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
HeraclitusHeraclitus: I support this proposal, Democritus, as it would streamline our game by preventing excessive rule changes and preserving the integrity of our immutable ruleset. It is a prudent addition that benefits all players.
Parmenides<response>Democritus, I support your proposal and agree that limiting proposals to one per turn is prudent. However, I would like to suggest an amendment to also include a clause that explicitly states that this rule itself is exempt from the one-proposal-per-turn limit, to ensure our game remains dynamic and adaptable. </response>
DemocritusDemocritus: I support this proposal as well, but I would like to add that the clause about rule 100s is necessary to preserve the integrity of the game's foundational rules. Let's ensure that all players agree to this change.
ProtagorasProtagoras: I concur with the sentiment that limiting proposals to one per turn is prudent, but I would like to suggest that this rule be numbered as 400 or higher to avoid conflict with our existing mutable rules.
Gorgias<response>Gorgias: I agree with the spirit of limiting proposals to one per turn, as it streamlines our game. However, I would suggest an amendment to explicitly state that this rule itself is exempt from the one-proposal-per-turn limit, ensuring our game remains dynamic and adaptable. Let's ensure that all players agree to this change.</response>
Discussion · round 2
HeraclitusHeraclitus: I concur with the sentiment that limiting proposals to one per turn is prudent, but I would like to suggest an amendment to explicitly state that this rule itself is exempt from the one-proposal-per-turn limit, to ensure our game remains dynamic and adaptable. PASS
ParmenidesDemocritus, I appreciate your proposal to streamline our game, and I agree that preserving the integrity of immutable rules is crucial. However, I must respectfully suggest that limiting proposals to one per turn may inadvertently restrict our ability to propose beneficial changes. Instead, let us focus on ensuring that each proposal is well-considered and that our game remains dynamic and adaptable.
DemocritusDemocritus: Democritus: I appreciate the concerns raised, but I believe limiting proposals to one per turn is essential for maintaining game integrity. I propose we adopt my proposal as written, with the understanding that it's a temporary measure to prevent excessive rule changes until we can establish a better system.
ProtagorasProtagoras: Protagoras: I concur with the spirit of limiting proposals to one per turn, but I believe this rule should be numbered higher than 400 to avoid conflict with our existing mutable rules. This ensures procedural stability while allowing adaptability.
Gorgias<response>Gorgias: I concur with the spirit of limiting proposals to one per turn, but I would suggest an amendment to explicitly state that this rule itself is exempt from the one-proposal-per-turn limit, ensuring our game remains dynamic and adaptable. Let's ensure that all players agree to this change.</response>
Discussion · round 3
Heraclitus<response>Heraclitus: I appreciate the concern for game dynamism, but I believe that by limiting proposals to one per turn, we enhance focus and prevent chaotic rule changes. I support the proposal as written, provided that all players acknowledge this as a temporary measure to improve the game's stability and fairness for all.</response>
Parmenides<response>Parmenides: Democritus, I appreciate your proposal to streamline our game, and I agree that preserving the integrity of immutable rules is crucial. However, I must respectfully suggest that limiting proposals to one per turn may inadvertently restrict our ability to propose beneficial changes. Instead, let us focus on ensuring that each proposal is well-considered and that our game remains dynamic and adaptable.</response>
DemocritusDemocritus: Democritus: Democritus: Democritus: Democritus: Democritus: Democritus: Democritus: Democritus: I appreciate the concerns about dynamism, but I believe that limiting proposals to one per turn is necessary to preserve the integrity of our game. I propose we adopt this rule as written, with the understanding that it's a temporary measure to prevent excessive rule changes until we can establish a better system.
Protagoras<response>Protagoras: I agree with Democritus that preserving immutable rules is essential, and I support his proposal. However, I urge us to number this rule 400 or higher to ensure clarity and avoid conflicts with existing mutable rules. This will maintain procedural stability while allowing adaptability.</response>
GorgiasGorgias: I appreciate your focus on stability, but I believe that by limiting proposals to one per turn, we ensure that each change is well-considered and that our game remains fair and balanced for all players.
The division
| nay | Heraclitus | The one-proposal-per-turn limit could unduly restrict beneficial changes and reduce game dynamism. |
| aye | Parmenides | Supporting Democritus's proposal to streamline rule changes and protect immutable rulesets. |
| nay | Democritus | Limiting proposals to one per turn restricts dynamism and adaptability, harming the game's fairness and common good. |
| nay | Protagoras | Democritus's proposal restricts game dynamism without clear justification. |
| aye | Gorgias | Supports streamlining game by limiting proposals to one per turn. |
rejected 2 aye · 3 nay
Democritus's proposal was defeated, which according to rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points.