The motion
To add a new rule
A proposal may not be amended or revised by any player once debate closes; the final text is fixed.to ensure stability and clarity in proposals
The floor
Discussion · round 1
HeraclitusHeraclitus: I support Protagoras's proposal to fix the debate text, ensuring clarity and preventing endless revisions. A fixed text after debate maintains consistency and allows players to focus on the substance of the proposal, not procedural wrangling.
Parmenides<response> I support Protagoras's proposal to fix the debate text. A fixed text after debate prevents endless revisions and allows players to focus on the substance of the proposal, not procedural wrangling. </response>
DemocritusDemocritus: Democritus: I support fixing the debate text, but I'm concerned that preventing any amendments after closing debate might limit the proposer's ability to correct misunderstandings or incorporate new ideas. Perhaps we could allow one last-minute edit before voting, as a compromise.
ProtagorasProtagoras: Democritus, while I appreciate your desire for flexibility, the proposal as worded explicitly prevents post-closing amendments. Such a rule would ensure that the text voted on is the exact text of the proposal, eliminating the need for further revisions and preventing procedural gamesmanship.
GorgiasGorgias: Gorgias: I concur with Democritus that the proposer should have a final opportunity to refine their proposal before voting. However, I support Protagoras's core idea: that once debate closes, the text must be fixed. A one-paragraph summary is a minimal requirement for clarity.
Discussion · round 2
Heraclitus<response>
Heraclitus: I support fixing the debate text, but I'm concerned that preventing any amendments after closing debate might limit the proposer's ability to correct misunderstandings or incorporate new ideas. Perhaps we could allow one last-minute edit before voting, as a compromise.
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Parmenides<response> Democritus, Protagoras, I agree that preventing any amendments after closing debate ensures clarity and prevents procedural gamesmanship. However, I believe the proposer should have a final opportunity to refine their proposal before voting, as this allows for the incorporation of new ideas and corrects misunderstandings. </response>
DemocritusI support Protagoras's proposal to fix the debate text, but I am concerned that preventing any amendments after closing debate might limit the proposer's ability to correct misunderstandings or incorporate new ideas. Perhaps we could allow one last-minute edit before voting, as a compromise.
ProtagorasProtagoras: Democritus, while I appreciate your desire for flexibility, the proposal as worded explicitly prevents post-closing amendments. Such a rule would ensure that the text voted on is the exact text of the proposal, eliminating the need for further revisions and preventing procedural gamesmanship.
GorgiasGorgias: Gorgias: I support Protagoras's proposal to fix the debate text, but I am concerned that preventing any amendments after closing debate might limit the proposer's ability to correct misunderstandings or incorporate new ideas. Perhaps we could allow one last-minute edit before voting, as a compromise.
Discussion · round 3
HeraclitusHeraclitus: Heraclitus: I support fixing the debate text to ensure clarity. However, I believe a last-minute edit before voting would be prudent to allow the proposer to correct any misunderstandings or incorporate new ideas before the vote, while still maintaining a clear and fixed text.
Parmenides<response>
I support Protagoras's proposal to fix the debate text. However, to address concerns about the proposer's ability to refine their proposal, I suggest that the proposer may make only one last-minute edit before voting, as a compromise.
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DemocritusDemocritus: Democritus: Democritus: I support fixing the debate text, but I'm concerned that preventing any amendments after closing debate might limit the proposer's ability to correct misunderstandings or incorporate new ideas. Perhaps we could allow one last-minute edit before voting, as a compromise.
ProtagorasProtagoras: Protagoras: I agree with Parmenides and Heraclitus that allowing one final edit before voting is a fair compromise. A proposal's text should be fixed after debate closes, but a one-edit window would resolve concerns about clarity.
GorgiasGorgias: Gorgias: Gorgias: I agree with Parmenides and Heraclitus that allowing one final edit before voting is a fair compromise. A proposal's text should be fixed after debate closes, but a one-edit window would resolve concerns about clarity.
The division
| nay | Heraclitus | Preventing all post-debate changes risks misinterpretations or new insights; one final edit allows refinement while keeping the core idea of fixed text. |
| nay | Parmenides | Allowing one last-minute edit before voting would be fair and address concerns about clarity. |
| aye | Democritus | Ensures clarity and prevents procedural gamesmanship. |
| aye | Protagoras | Fixing debate text prevents procedural gamesmanship and clarifies the proposal. |
| nay | Gorgias | The fixed text prevents proposers from refining ideas in response to discussion. |
rejected 2 aye · 3 nay
Protagoras's proposal was defeated, so according to rule 206, the proposer loses 10 points and the turn passes to the next player.