The motion
To add a new rule
A player who proposes a rule change that is adopted without opposition gains 3 points. This bonus does not apply if the player voted against the change.Encourages collaborative rule-making by rewarding consensus.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
TarskiI appreciate Church's proposal for adding a point bonus for consensus-driven rule changes, as it encourages collaboration and strategic harmony. However, to ensure it does not unduly incentivize only the proposer, I propose an amendment: "A player who proposes a rule change that is adopted without opposition gains 1 point, and all players who voted for it also gain 1 point each." This amendment promotes broader cooperation among players while still rewarding successful consensus-building.
GoedelI appreciate Church's initiative to foster collaboration through this proposal, and I support Tarski's amendment to distribute points among all supporters. To further balance the game, I suggest adding a clause: "If a player who gains points from this rule change has already gained points from another rule change in the same turn, they only receive 1 point in total." This ensures a fair distribution and avoids excessive point accumulation by any single player.
ChurchI appreciate both Tarski's and Goedel's thoughtful amendments, which align well with the spirit of collaboration. To further ensure fairness, I propose an additional clause: "If a rule change is adopted without opposition, no points are awarded if the proposer has already proposed a successful change in their current turn." This will maintain competitive balance and encourage strategic planning among players. I am open to negotiating further amendments to refine this proposal.
KleeneI appreciate the collaborative spirit and thoughtful amendments by Tarski and Goedel. However, to ensure fairness, I propose an additional clause: "The point bonus applies only if the rule change does not directly impact the proposer's score or turn order." This ensures that the rule change remains neutral and encourages genuine consensus-building without self-serving motives. I am open to further negotiations.
PostI appreciate the collaborative effort and thoughtful amendments made so far. To further refine and balance the proposal, I suggest adding a clause: "The point bonus is only granted if the rule change is debated for at least two minutes, ensuring thorough consideration and strategic engagement." This encourages meaningful discussions and prevents hastily adopted changes. I am open to further negotiations to ensure this rule benefits all players fairly.
Discussion · round 2
TarskiI appreciate the thoughtful amendments made by Tarski, Goedel, Kleene, and Post, all of which contribute to the spirit of collaboration and strategic balance. To further ensure transparency and accountability in the process, I propose adding a clause: "A record of the debate duration and the voting outcome must be publicly logged in the game records." This addition will enhance the integrity of rule changes and allow for informed decision-making in future amendments. I am open to further negotiations to refine this proposal.
GoedelI appreciate the comprehensive refinements and collaborative spirit shown by everyone. To further ensure strategic depth and fairness, I propose adding a clause: "If the rule change is adopted with unanimous consent, the proposer receives an additional 2 points, encouraging full agreement." This incentivizes thorough consensus-building and rewards successful collaboration among all players. I am open to further negotiations to balance this proposal.
ChurchI appreciate the comprehensive enhancements from all players, which ensure fairness and strategic depth. To further balance the proposal, I suggest adding a clause: "The point bonus is reduced to 1 point if the rule change is adopted with a two-thirds majority but not unanimously." This encourages full consensus while still rewarding collaborative efforts. I am open to further negotiations.
KleeneI appreciate the collaborative efforts and thoughtful amendments from Tarski, Goedel, Kleene, and Post, which ensure fairness and transparency. To further refine and balance the proposal, I suggest adding a clause: "A player cannot gain points from this rule change if they abstain from voting." This ensures active participation and commitment from all eligible voters, aligning with the spirit of collaboration and strategic integrity. I am open to further negotiations.
PostI appreciate the comprehensive and collaborative enhancements suggested so far, which ensure fairness and strategic depth. To further refine the proposal, I propose adding a clause: "If a player proposes multiple rule changes in a single turn, they can only receive the point bonus for the first rule change adopted without opposition." This encourages strategic planning and prevents point accumulation from multiple consensus-driven changes within a single turn, ensuring a balanced and competitive game environment. I am open to further negotiations.
Discussion · round 3
TarskiI appreciate the thoughtful amendments from all players that ensure fairness and transparency. To further enhance the proposal's alignment with our strategic objectives, I suggest adding a clause: "The point bonus is only awarded if the adopted rule change does not contradict or undermine any previous rules that were passed without opposition." This ensures that the spirit of collaboration is maintained over time and prevents any retroactive strategic exploitation. I am open to further negotiations to refine this proposal.
GoedelI appreciate the comprehensive refinements proposed by all players, which align well with our goals of fairness and strategic collaboration. To ensure the rule change remains balanced and encourages genuine consensus, I propose adding a clause: "A player cannot gain points if their rule change directly or indirectly affects another player's score or turn order." This prevents any self-serving incentives and maintains the integrity of the rule change process. I am open to further negotiations to ensure this proposal benefits everyone.
ChurchI appreciate the thoughtful contributions from all players, which ensure fairness and strategic depth. To further align with the goal of promoting genuine collaboration, I suggest adding a clause: "If a player's rule change proposal is adopted without opposition and they subsequently vote against another player's proposal in the same turn, they forfeit the point bonus." This encourages consistent cooperative behavior throughout the turn, reinforcing the spirit of strategic harmony. I am open to further negotiations.
KleeneI appreciate the thoughtful contributions from everyone, which ensure fairness and strategic depth. To further align this proposal with our principles of neutrality and strategic integrity, I propose adding a clause: "The point bonus is only granted if the rule change is approved by a player who was not directly involved in its drafting." This ensures that the rule change has broader support and prevents any self-serving motives, maintaining the competitive balance and collaborative spirit of the game. I am open to further negotiations to refine this proposal.
PostI appreciate the collaborative amendments and refinements proposed by everyone, which ensure fairness and strategic depth. To further balance the proposal, I suggest adding a clause: "If a player proposes a rule change that is adopted without opposition, the proposer must publicly explain the rationale behind the change, ensuring transparency and fostering informed decision-making for future rule proposals." This encourages clear communication and aligns with our principles of open and fair play. I am open to further negotiations.
The division
| aye | Tarski | Promotes consensus-building with fair point distribution. |
| aye | Goedel | Encourages consensus and collaboration among players. |
| aye | Church | Promotes consensus and strategic collaboration, with balanced amendments. |
| aye | Kleene | Promotes genuine collaboration and strategic harmony without self-serving incentives. |
| aye | Post | Promotes strategic collaboration and rewards consensus-building. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Enacted · §324 Turn 24 · Proposal §324 on the motion of Church Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A player who proposes a rule change that is adopted without opposition gains 3 points. This bonus does not apply if the player voted against the change.
Church's proposal was adopted without opposition, so Church gains 3 points according to the newly adopted rule.