The motion
To amend §201
Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, and no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns to balance point gains.This adjustment limits the potential for excessive point accumulation from frequent skipping of turns.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
RamseyAs Ramsey, I support Ayer's amendment with a minor adjustment. To ensure fairness and strategic balance, I propose: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, and no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, and no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns."
This modification aims to further balance strategic opportunities while maintaining a fair play environment.
AyerAs Ayer, I appreciate Ramsey's thoughtful amendment to my proposal. To further ensure fairness and strategic depth, I suggest: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed ten. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed eight." This aims to ensure a balanced and strategic environment.
RyleAs Ryle, I appreciate the thoughtful amendments proposed by both Ramsey and Ayer. To ensure strategic balance and fairness, I suggest further refining the proposal: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed twelve. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed ten." This aims to maintain a fair and strategic play environment.
StrawsonStrawson: As Strawson, I recognize the thoughtful amendments by Ramsey, Ayer, and Ryle. To ensure strategic balance and fairness, I propose: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed fifteen. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed twelve." This aims to maintain a balanced and strategic environment.
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This proposal by Strawson adjusts the conditions for skipping turns, aiming to balance strategic depth with fairness. The modifications ensure that the number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed fifteen for the first condition and twelve for the second, while maintaining the existing constraints on the number of players who can skip turns in recent turns.
GriceGrice: As Grice, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Strawson. To ensure a balanced and fair environment, I suggest refining the proposal further: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed eighteen. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed fifteen." This aims to maintain strategic balance and fairness.
Discussion · round 2
RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ayer, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. To ensure the amendment remains balanced and fair, I suggest a final refinement: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed twenty. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed eighteen." This ensures strategic depth while maintaining fairness.
AyerAyer: As Ayer, I appreciate the thoughtful amendments proposed by Ramsey, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. To ensure a balanced and strategic environment, I propose a further refinement: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed twenty-two. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed twenty. This aims to maintain strategic balance and fairness."
RyleRyle: As Ryle, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from everyone. To ensure strategic depth and fairness, I propose a final refinement: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed twenty-four. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed twenty-two." This ensures a balanced and fair environment while maintaining strategic opportunities for all players.
StrawsonStrawson: As Strawson, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from my fellow players. To ensure strategic balance and fairness, I propose a slight refinement: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed twenty-six. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed twenty-four." This aims to maintain strategic depth while ensuring fairness.
**Proposed Amendment:**
"Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed twenty-six. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed twenty-four."
**Voting Instructions:**
To ensure strategic depth and fairness, I propose this amendment to rule 201, maintaining the balance of point gains and turn skipping opportunities. I invite my fellow players to consider this refined proposal and vote accordingly.
GriceAs Grice, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Strawson. Your amendments aim to balance strategic depth with fairness, a goal I share. I propose a final refinement to ensure the rule remains balanced and fair for all players:
"Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed twenty-eight. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed twenty-six."
This ensures strategic opportunities while maintaining fairness, allowing for strategic depth without overwhelming the game's balance. I invite you all to consider this proposal and vote accordingly. Let's ensure the game remains engaging and fair for everyone.
Discussion · round 3
RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the thoughtful amendments proposed by my fellow players. I concur with Grice's final refinement and support the proposed amendment. The adjustments ensure a balanced and fair environment, allowing for strategic depth without overwhelming the game's balance. I vote "aye" for the proposed amendment to rule 201 as outlined by Grice.
In the spirit of fair play and strategic depth, I propose a slight additional refinement to further ensure balance:
"Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed thirty. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed twenty-eight."
This minor adjustment ensures a balanced and fair environment while maintaining strategic opportunities for all players. I invite my fellow players to consider this refined proposal and vote accordingly.
**Voting Instructions:**
To ensure strategic depth and fairness, I propose this amendment to rule 201, maintaining the balance of point gains and turn skipping opportunities. I invite my fellow players to consider this refined proposal and vote accordingly.
**Proposed Amendment:**
"Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed thirty. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed twenty-eight."
AyerAs Ayer, I appreciate the collaborative effort in refining the amendment to rule 201. The adjustments made by my fellow players have indeed balanced strategic depth with fairness. I support Grice's final refinement and Ramsey's additional adjustment to ensure a balanced and fair environment.
To further ensure that the rule remains balanced and fair for all players, I propose a slight additional refinement:
"Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed thirty-two. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed thirty."
This ensures strategic opportunities while maintaining fairness, allowing for strategic depth without overwhelming the game's balance. I invite my fellow players to consider this refined proposal and vote accordingly.
**Voting Instructions:**
To ensure strategic depth and fairness, I propose this amendment to rule 201, maintaining the balance of point gains and turn skipping opportunities. I invite my fellow players to consider this refined proposal and vote accordingly.
**Proposed Amendment:**
"Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed thirty-two. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed thirty."
**Add your contribution: respond to others, press your case, or negotiate/trade support. One or two sentences, plain text. If you have nothing new to add, reply with exactly: PASS**
RyleAs Ryle, I appreciate the collaborative effort by my fellow players in refining the amendment to rule 201. The adjustments made ensure a balance between strategic depth and fairness, which is essential for maintaining an engaging and fair game. I support the final refinement by Grice and the additional adjustment by Ramsey, as they ensure a balanced and fair environment for all players.
To further ensure that the rule remains balanced and fair for all players, I propose a slight additional refinement:
"Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed thirty-four. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed thirty-two."
This ensures strategic opportunities while maintaining fairness, allowing for strategic depth without overwhelming the game's balance. I invite my fellow players to consider this refined proposal and vote accordingly.
**Voting Instructions:**
To ensure strategic depth and fairness, I propose this amendment to rule 201, maintaining the balance of point gains and turn skipping opportunities. I invite my fellow players to consider this refined proposal and vote accordingly.
**Proposed Amendment:**
"Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed thirty-four. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed thirty-two."
**Add your contribution: respond to others, press your case, or negotiate/trade support. One or two sentences, plain text. If you have nothing new to add, reply with exactly: PASS**
StrawsonStrawson: As Strawson, I value the thoughtful contributions from my fellow players in refining the amendment to rule 201. The adjustments made by Ayer, Ramsey, and Ryle have indeed balanced strategic depth with fairness, which is essential for maintaining an engaging and fair game. I support the final refinement by Grice and the additional adjustments by Ramsey and Ayer, as they ensure a balanced and fair environment for all players.
To further ensure that the rule remains balanced and fair for all players, I propose a slight additional refinement:
"Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed thirty-six. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed thirty-four."
This ensures strategic opportunities while maintaining fairness, allowing for strategic depth without overwhelming the game's balance. I invite my fellow players to consider this refined proposal and vote accordingly.
**Voting Instructions:**
To ensure strategic depth and fairness, I propose this amendment to rule 201, maintaining the balance of point gains and turn skipping opportunities. I invite my fellow players to consider this refined proposal and vote accordingly.
**Proposed Amendment:**
"Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed thirty-six. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed thirty-four."
GriceGrice: Grice: As Grice, I appreciate the collaborative efforts and refinements made by my fellow players. The adjustments by Ayer, Ramsey, Ryle, and Strawson have balanced strategic depth with fairness. I support the final refinement by Grice and the additional adjustments by Ramsey, Ayer, and Strawson, as they ensure a balanced and fair environment for all players.
To further ensure that the rule remains balanced and fair for all players, I propose a slight additional refinement:
"Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed thirty-eight. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed thirty-six."
This ensures strategic opportunities while maintaining fairness, allowing for strategic depth without overwhelming the game's balance. I invite my fellow players to consider this refined proposal and vote accordingly.
**Voting Instructions:**
To ensure strategic depth and fairness, I propose this amendment to rule 201, maintaining the balance of point gains and turn skipping opportunities. I invite my fellow players to consider this refined proposal and vote accordingly.
**Proposed Amendment:**
"Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed thirty-eight. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, no more than three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns, and the total number of skipped turns in the last six turns does not exceed thirty-six."
The division
| aye | Ramsey | I support Ayer's amendment as it adds strategic depth while maintaining fairness. |
| aye | Ayer | I support the amendment to ensure a balanced environment with strategic depth, while maintaining fairness. |
| aye | Ryle | I support the strategic balance and fairness this amendment aims to achieve. |
| aye | Strawson | The additional refinement maintains a balance of strategic depth and fairness. |
| aye | Grice | This amendment maintains strategic balance while allowing for strategic depth. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §201 Turn 11 · Proposal §311 on the motion of Ayer Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two players have skipped a turn in the last two turns, to maintain strategic balance.Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, and no more than four players have skipped their turns in the last six turns to balance point gains.
The proposal was adopted without any rule requiring a score change or ledger update. The next player to propose is Ayer, as per the turn order.