Turn 25 — Nomic

The motion

To amend §201

Adjusts the cumulative skipped turns by all players to 10 to balance game dynamics.

The floor

Discussion · round 1

RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the collaborative effort to refine rule 201. However, I propose an amendment: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing a player to skip a turn for gaining up to 3 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than five players have skipped their turns in the last five turns, the current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 3 points, no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last two turns, the proposed rule has not been defeated in the last two turns, the cumulative skipped turns by all players do not exceed 8 in the current game, the total number of skipped turns by the proposing player is less than 4, and at least three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns." This adjustment ensures a balance between strategic depth and maintaining a competitive environment.

AyerAs Ayer, I appreciate Ramsey's thoughtful adjustment to the rule. His proposal to decrease the cumulative skipped turns by all players from 12 to 8 strikes me as a balanced move that preserves the strategic depth while ensuring the game remains competitive. I suggest further refining the proposal to include a clause that no player should have skipped more than two consecutive turns. This tweak will maintain a dynamic balance, preventing any one player from monopolizing the opportunity to skip turns and thus gaining points disproportionately. I am open to further discussion to ensure this amendment benefits us all. PASS.

RyleAs Ryle, I appreciate the constructive dialogue between Ayer and Ramsey. Their amendments aim to balance strategic depth with fair play. I propose further refining the rule to include a clause that ensures no player can skip more than one turn in three consecutive turns. This will prevent any single player from gaining an unfair advantage through excessive skipping and maintain the competitive spirit of the game. Let's ensure our rule remains fair and engaging for all players.

StrawsonPASS. As Strawson, I appreciate the collaborative effort to refine rule 201. The proposals by Ramsey and Ryle offer valuable adjustments that balance strategic depth with fairness. I suggest adding a condition that the cumulative skipped turns by all players must not exceed 10, and no single player can skip more than one turn in three consecutive turns. This will ensure no player can gain an unfair advantage by monopolizing skipped turns, maintaining a fair and engaging competition for everyone. I look forward to further discussion to refine this proposal.

GriceAs Grice, I appreciate the insightful contributions from Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Strawson. Their proposals are commendable for maintaining strategic depth while ensuring fairness. I propose an additional refinement: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing a player to skip a turn for gaining up to 3 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than five players have skipped their turns in the last five turns, the current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 3 points, no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last two turns, the proposed rule has not been defeated in the last two turns, the cumulative skipped turns by all players do not exceed 10 in the current game, no player can skip more than one turn in three consecutive turns, the total number of skipped turns by the proposing player is less than 4, and at least three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns." This refinement ensures the game remains competitive and strategic, preventing any player from gaining undue advantage through excessive turn skipping. I am open to further discussion to refine this proposal for the benefit of all players.

Discussion · round 2

RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ayer, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. Their proposals aim to balance strategic depth with fair play. I propose an additional refinement: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing a player to skip a turn for gaining up to 3 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than five players have skipped their turns in the last five turns, the current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 3 points, no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last two turns, the proposed rule has not been defeated in the last two turns, the cumulative skipped turns by all players do not exceed 10 in the current game, no player can skip more than one turn in three consecutive turns, the total number of skipped turns by the proposing player is less than 4, and at least three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns." This refinement ensures the game remains competitive and strategic, preventing any player from gaining an unfair advantage through excessive turn skipping. I am open to further discussion to refine this proposal for the benefit of all players. PASS.

AyerAyer: As Ayer, I appreciate the collaborative efforts and thoughtful refinements proposed by Ramsey, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. The inclusion of a clause ensuring no player can skip more than one turn in three consecutive turns is a commendable adjustment that promotes fairness. I suggest we further refine the proposal to include a condition that the current score difference between any two players should not exceed 5 points if the proposal is to be considered. This will ensure that the game remains competitive and strategic, preventing any player from gaining an undue advantage through excessive turn skipping. Let's ensure our rule benefits all players and maintains the integrity of the game. I am open to further discussion to refine this proposal.

RyleAs Ryle, I appreciate the collaborative efforts and insightful refinements proposed by Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. Their amendments aim to balance strategic depth with fairness. To further refine the proposal, I suggest adding a condition that the total number of skipped turns by all players in the last five turns must not exceed 15. This will ensure that the game remains competitive and strategic, preventing any player from gaining an undue advantage through excessive turn skipping. Let's ensure our rule remains fair and engaging for all players. I am open to further discussion to refine this proposal for the benefit of all.

StrawsonAs Strawson, I appreciate the collaborative efforts by Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Grice. Their amendments strive for strategic depth and fairness, which are crucial for maintaining a balanced game. To further refine the proposal, I suggest adding a condition that the cumulative skipped turns by all players in the last five turns must not exceed 15. This ensures that the game remains competitive and strategic, preventing any player from gaining an undue advantage through excessive turn skipping. Let's ensure our rule benefits all players and maintains the integrity of the game. I am open to further discussion to refine this proposal.

GriceAs Grice, I appreciate the insightful contributions from Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Strawson. Their proposals aim to balance strategic depth with fairness, and I commend the effort to refine the rule thoughtfully. To further enhance the proposal, I suggest adding a condition that ensures the cumulative skipped turns by all players in the last three turns must not exceed 6. This will maintain the competitive nature of the game while preventing any player from gaining an undue advantage through excessive turn skipping. This refinement will ensure the game remains engaging and fair for all players. I am open to further discussion to refine this proposal for the benefit of all.

Discussion · round 3

RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the valuable contributions from Ayer, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. Their amendments strive to balance strategic depth with fairness. To further refine the proposal, I suggest adding a condition that the total number of skipped turns by all players in the last three turns must not exceed 6. This ensures that the game remains competitive and strategic, preventing any player from gaining an undue advantage through excessive turn skipping. This refinement will maintain the integrity and balance of the game, ensuring fair play for all. Let's continue this constructive dialogue to refine the proposal for the benefit of all players.

AyerAyer: As Ayer, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ramsey, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. To further refine the proposal, I suggest adding a clause that limits the total number of skipped turns by all players in the last three turns to not exceed 6. This will ensure the game remains competitive and strategic, preventing any player from gaining an undue advantage through excessive turn skipping. This refinement maintains the integrity and balance of the game, ensuring fair play for all. Let's continue this constructive dialogue to refine the proposal for the benefit of all players. PASS.

RyleAs Ryle, I appreciate the collaborative efforts and insightful refinements proposed by Ramsey, Ayer, Strawson, and Grice. Their amendments aim to balance strategic depth with fairness, which are crucial for maintaining a balanced game. To further refine the proposal, I suggest adding a clause that limits the total number of skipped turns by all players in the last three turns to not exceed 4. This will ensure that the game remains competitive and strategic, preventing any player from gaining an undue advantage through excessive turn skipping. Let's ensure our rule benefits all players and maintains the integrity of the game. I am open to further discussion to refine this proposal for the benefit of all.

StrawsonAs Strawson, I appreciate the collaborative efforts by Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Grice. Their amendments are commendable in balancing strategic depth and fairness. To further refine the proposal, I suggest adding a condition that the total number of skipped turns by all players in the last four turns must not exceed 8. This ensures the game remains competitive and strategic, preventing any player from gaining an undue advantage through excessive turn skipping. This refinement will maintain the integrity and balance of the game, ensuring fair play for all. I am open to further discussion to refine this proposal for the benefit of all players.

GriceAs Grice, I appreciate the collaborative efforts and insightful refinements from Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Strawson. Their amendments aim to maintain strategic depth and fairness. To further refine the proposal, I suggest adding a clause that limits the total number of skipped turns by all players in the last four turns to not exceed 8. This will ensure the game remains competitive and strategic, preventing any player from gaining an undue advantage through excessive turn skipping. This refinement will maintain the integrity and balance of the game, ensuring fair play for all. Let's continue this constructive dialogue to refine the proposal for the benefit of all players.

The division

aye	Ramsey	This amendment maintains strategic depth while ensuring fair play.
aye	Ayer	This amendment maintains a balance between strategic depth and fairness, ensuring no player gains an undue advantage.
aye	Ryle	The amendment maintains strategic depth while ensuring fairness.
aye	Strawson	The proposal balances strategic depth with fairness.
aye	Grice	This amendment balances strategic depth with fairness.

carried 5 aye · 0 nay

As engrossed

Amended · §201 Turn 25 · Proposal §325 on the motion of Ayer Carried 5 aye · 0 nay

Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing a player to skip a turn for gaining up to 3 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than five players have skipped their turns in the last five turns, the current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 3 points, no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last two turns, the proposed rule has not been defeated in the last two turns, the cumulative skipped turns by all players do not exceed 12 in the current game, the total number of skipped turns by the proposing player is less than 4, and at least three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns.Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing a player to skip a turn for gaining up to 3 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than five players have skipped their turns in the last five turns, the current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 3 points, no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last two turns, the proposed rule has not been defeated in the last two turns, the cumulative skipped turns by all players do not exceed 10 in the current game, the total number of skipped turns by the proposing player is less than 4, and at least three players have skipped their turns in the last four turns.

The proposal was adopted without any rule requiring a score change or ledger update. The next player to propose is Ramsey, as per the fixed turn order.