Turn 30 — Nomic

The motion

To amend §201

This amendment ensures fairness by preventing the current turn's mover from skipping their turn, promoting balanced gameplay.

The floor

Discussion · round 1

RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the constructive dialogue thus far and the nuanced proposals we've seen. I propose amending rule [201] to include that the proposing player is not the current turn's mover. This ensures fairness and prevents potential conflicts of interest. This change maintains balance and aligns with the spirit of equitable play, supporting the integrity of the game's strategic depth. PASS.

AyerAs Ayer, I appreciate Ramsey's thoughtful proposal to amend rule [201], aiming to enhance fairness and maintain the integrity of the game. I concur with the spirit of his suggestion, as it aligns with our collective interest in ensuring equitable play. To refine this proposal further, I suggest we also consider adjusting the requirement that the current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player be less than or equal to 5 points. This adjustment could add an additional layer of strategic depth, encouraging more dynamic interactions and preventing any one player from gaining an overwhelming lead too quickly. This balanced approach supports the strategic nature of Nomic while promoting fair play. PASS.

Ryle**Ryle:** As Ryle, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ramsey and Ayer. Ramsey's proposal to amend rule [201] by adding that the proposing player is not the current turn's mover is a prudent step towards maintaining fairness and preventing conflicts of interest. This adjustment aligns with our collective goal of equitable play. To further enhance this proposal, I suggest we consider an additional condition: the proposed rule must not allow any player to skip their turn if it would create a score gap of more than 10 points between the highest and lowest scoring player. This would ensure that the game remains competitive and balanced, preventing any player from gaining an undue advantage by skipping turns. This refinement supports the strategic depth of the game while promoting fairness, encouraging players to engage thoughtfully with the ruleset. PASS.

StrawsonAs Strawson, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ramsey and Ayer. Ramsey's proposal to add that the proposing player is not the current turn's mover is a prudent step towards maintaining fairness and preventing conflicts of interest. This aligns with our collective goal of equitable play. To further enhance this proposal, I suggest we also consider adding a condition that the total number of skipped turns by the proposing player in the last five turns does not exceed a certain threshold, say five. This would prevent players from manipulating the rule to skip turns excessively, thus maintaining the integrity and competitive nature of the game. This addition ensures that the rule is not exploited and supports the strategic depth of Nomic while promoting fair play. PASS.

GriceAs Grice, I appreciate the insightful contributions from Ramsey, Ayer, and Ryle. The proposal to amend rule [201] by ensuring the proposing player is not the current turn's mover is a commendable step towards fairness. To further refine the rule, I propose adding a condition that the rule should not allow a player to skip their turn if it would lead to a cumulative score difference of more than 15 points between the highest and lowest scoring player. This ensures the game remains competitive and balanced, preventing any player from gaining an undue advantage. This additional layer encourages thoughtful engagement with the ruleset, supporting the strategic depth of Nomic while promoting fair play. PASS.

Discussion · round 2

RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the constructive dialogue and the insightful contributions from Ayer, Ryle, and Grice. The proposed amendments to rule [201] have indeed enhanced fairness and strategic depth. To further refine this proposal, I suggest we include an additional condition: the proposed rule should not allow a player to skip their turn if it would result in the proposing player's cumulative skipped turns exceeding 15. This ensures that no player can excessively exploit the opportunity to skip turns, maintaining the integrity and competitive nature of the game. This condition supports our commitment to fairness and strategic engagement, aligning with the spirit of Nomic. PASS.

AyerAs Ayer, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ramsey, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. Ramsey's amendment to rule [201] by ensuring the proposing player is not the current turn's mover is a commendable step towards maintaining fairness. Ryle's suggestion to limit the score gap to prevent undue advantages, Strawson's idea to cap the number of skipped turns, and Grice's proposal to maintain competitive balance are all valuable. To further refine this proposal, I suggest we also include a condition that the rule should not allow a player to skip their turn if doing so would result in the proposing player's cumulative skipped turns exceeding 12. This ensures that the opportunity to skip turns is used judiciously and prevents any single player from gaining an undue advantage by exploiting the rule excessively. This additional condition supports the strategic depth of the game while promoting fair play and encouraging thoughtful engagement with the ruleset. PASS.

Ryle**Ryle:** As Ryle, I appreciate the insightful contributions from Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. The proposed amendments to rule [201] have indeed enhanced the fairness and strategic depth of the game. To further refine this proposal, I suggest we include an additional condition: the proposed rule should not allow a player to skip their turn if the total number of skipped turns by all players in the last three turns exceeds a certain threshold, say five. This ensures that the opportunity to skip turns is used judiciously and prevents any group of players from disproportionately exploiting the rule, maintaining the integrity and competitive nature of the game. This condition supports our commitment to fairness and strategic engagement, aligning with the spirit of Nomic. PASS.

Strawson**Strawson:** As Strawson, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Grice. The amendments to rule [201] have indeed enhanced the fairness and strategic depth of the game. To further refine this proposal, I suggest adding a condition that the proposed rule should not allow a player to skip their turn if the proposing player's cumulative skipped turns in the last five turns exceed a certain threshold, say three. This ensures that players cannot exploit the rule to skip turns excessively, maintaining the integrity and competitive nature of the game. This additional condition supports the strategic depth of the game while promoting fair play and encouraging thoughtful engagement with the ruleset. PASS.

GriceGrice: As Grice, I appreciate the insightful contributions from Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Strawson. The amendments to rule [201] have indeed enhanced the fairness and strategic depth. To further refine this proposal, I suggest adding a condition: the proposed rule should not allow a player to skip their turn if doing so would result in the proposing player's cumulative skipped turns exceeding 10 in the last ten turns. This ensures that the opportunity to skip turns is used judiciously, preventing any single player from exploiting the rule excessively. This condition supports the strategic depth of the game while promoting fair play and encouraging thoughtful engagement with the ruleset. PASS. --- **Proposed Amendment to Rule [201]:** "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing a player to skip a turn for gaining up to 3 points, provided that: - No more than three players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, - No more than five players have skipped their turns in the last five turns, - The current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 5 points, - No more than two players have skipped their turn in the last two turns, - The proposed rule has not been defeated in the last two turns, - The cumulative skipped turns by all players do not exceed 23, - The total number of skipped turns by the proposing player is less than 10, - At least two players have skipped their turn in the last four turns, - The proposing player is not the current turn's mover, - The proposing player's cumulative skipped turns in the last ten turns do not exceed 10."

Discussion · round 3

RamseyAs Ramsey, I value the collaborative effort to refine rule [201] and appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ayer, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. The proposed amendments have indeed enhanced the fairness and strategic depth of the game. To further refine this proposal, I suggest adding a condition that the proposed rule should not allow a player to skip their turn if the cumulative skipped turns by all players in the last four turns exceed eight. This ensures that the opportunity to skip turns is used judiciously, preventing any group of players from disproportionately exploiting the rule, thus maintaining the integrity and competitive nature of the game. This condition supports our commitment to fairness and strategic engagement, aligning with the spirit of Nomic. PASS.

Ayer**Ayer:** As Ayer, I appreciate Ramsey's insightful contributions and the collaborative effort to refine rule [201]. The amendments have enhanced the fairness and strategic depth of the game. To further refine this proposal, I suggest adding a condition that the proposed rule should not allow a player to skip their turn if the cumulative skipped turns by all players in the last four turns exceed seven. This ensures that the opportunity to skip turns is used judiciously, preventing any group of players from disproportionately exploiting the rule, thus maintaining the integrity and competitive nature of the game. This condition supports our commitment to fairness and strategic engagement, aligning with the spirit of Nomic. PASS.

Ryle**Ryle:** As Ryle, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ramsey and Ayer. The proposed amendments to rule [201] have indeed enhanced the fairness and strategic depth of the game. To further refine this proposal, I suggest adding a condition that the proposed rule should not allow a player to skip their turn if the total number of skipped turns by the proposing player in the last six turns exceeds four. This ensures that the opportunity to skip turns is used judiciously, preventing any single player from exploiting the rule excessively. This condition supports the strategic depth of the game while promoting fair play and encouraging thoughtful engagement with the ruleset. PASS.

Strawson**Strawson:** As Strawson, I appreciate the insightful contributions from Ramsey and Ayer. The amendments to rule [201] have indeed enhanced the fairness and strategic depth of the game. To further refine this proposal, I suggest adding a condition that the proposed rule should not allow a player to skip their turn if the proposing player's cumulative skipped turns in the last six turns exceed three. This ensures that the opportunity to skip turns is used judiciously, preventing any single player from exploiting the rule excessively. This condition supports the strategic depth of the game while promoting fair play and encouraging thoughtful engagement with the ruleset. PASS.

GriceGrice: As Grice, I value the collaborative spirit in refining rule [201] and appreciate the contributions from Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Strawson. To enhance fairness and strategic depth, I propose adding a condition: the proposed rule should not allow a player to skip their turn if the cumulative skipped turns by all players in the last five turns exceed nine. This ensures the opportunity to skip turns is used judiciously, preventing any group of players from disproportionately exploiting the rule, thus maintaining the integrity and competitive nature of the game. This condition supports our commitment to fairness and strategic engagement, aligning with the spirit of Nomic. PASS.

The division

abstain	Ramsey
aye	Ayer	The amendment aligns with the spirit of equitable play and strategic depth.
aye	Ryle	The amendment ensures fairness and strategic depth by preventing conflicts of interest and maintaining balance.
aye	Strawson	I support the proposal as it enhances fairness and strategic depth.
aye	Grice	This amendment enhances fairness and strategic depth, promoting equitable play.

carried 4 aye · 0 nay · 1 abstain

As engrossed

Amended · §201 Turn 30 · Proposal §330 on the motion of Ramsey Carried 4 aye · 0 nay · 1 abstain

Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing a player to skip a turn for gaining up to 3 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than five players have skipped their turns in the last five turns, the current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 5 points, no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last two turns, the proposed rule has not been defeated in the last two turns, the cumulative skipped turns by all players do not exceed 23, the total number of skipped turns by the proposing player is less than 10, and at least two players have skipped their turn in the last four turns.Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing a player to skip a turn for gaining up to 3 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than five players have skipped their turns in the last five turns, the current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 5 points, no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last two turns, the proposed rule has not been defeated in the last two turns, the cumulative skipped turns by all players do not exceed 23, the total number of skipped turns by the proposing player is less than 10, and at least two players have skipped their turn in the last four turns, and the proposing player is not the current turn's mover.

Ramsey proposed a rule change that was adopted, so according to rule 202, Ramsey gains 6 points.