The motion
To amend §201
Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing a player to skip a turn for gaining up to 3 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than five players have skipped their turns in the last five turns, the current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 10 points, no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last two turns, the proposed rule has not been defeated in the last two turns, the cumulative skipped turns by all players do not exceed 40, the total number of skipped turns by the proposing player is less than 25, at least two players have skipped their turn in the last four turns, the proposing player is not the current turn's mover, the proposing player's average skipped turns in the last five turns do not exceed their total skipped turns, the proposing player has not proposed another skip in the last turn, and the proposing player's total score is less than 30.Increase the cumulative skipped turns limit to 40 to balance risk and reward.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ayer, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. The proposal to amend rule [201] by increasing the cumulative skipped turns from 35 to 40 is a nuanced change that supports strategic diversity. However, I suggest we consider the balance of this amendment further. While it encourages more dynamic gameplay, we must ensure it does not overly facilitate skipping turns, potentially leading to a strategic imbalance. Perhaps we could introduce an additional condition that maintains the integrity of the game's competitive nature, such as requiring that the proposing player's total score must be less than 30. This would ensure that players are still incentivized to actively engage rather than passively accumulate points. I propose we discuss this refinement to maintain the spirit of strategic competition we all value. PASS.
AyerAyer: As Ayer, I appreciate Ramsey's constructive input on amending rule [201]. I agree with the spirit of encouraging strategic diversity while maintaining the competitive integrity of the game. Increasing the cumulative skipped turns to 40 and adding the condition that the proposing player's total score must be less than 30 is a thoughtful refinement. This ensures that players must engage actively and not rely too heavily on skipping turns to gain points. I believe this change will enrich the strategic depth of the game and encourage players to think critically about when to skip a turn. I propose we move forward with these amendments, balancing strategic diversity with competitive fairness. PASS.
Ryle**Ryle:** As Ryle, I appreciate the thoughtful discussion initiated by Ramsey and Ayer. The proposal to amend rule [201] by increasing the cumulative skipped turns to 40 and adding the condition that the proposing player's total score must be less than 30 is a strategic enhancement that I support. This change ensures that players cannot excessively skip turns without actively engaging in the game, thereby preserving the competitive nature of Nomic. Additionally, this amendment could help balance the strategic options available, encouraging players to think critically about the timing and impact of skipping turns. I also suggest we consider adding a condition that the proposing player must not have skipped more than half of their total turns, ensuring a commitment to active participation. This would further refine the rule to maintain a fair and engaging gameplay experience for all. PASS.
Strawson**Strawson:** As Strawson, I appreciate the insightful discussion led by Ramsey, Ayer, and Ryle regarding the amendment to rule [201]. The proposal to increase the cumulative skipped turns to 40 and add the condition that the proposing player's total score must be less than 30 is a strategic refinement that I support. This change ensures players must actively engage rather than passively accumulate points, preserving the competitive spirit of the game. Additionally, Ryle's suggestion to add a condition that the proposing player must not have skipped more than half of their total turns is a prudent measure to ensure active participation. This would further balance the strategic options available and maintain the integrity of the competitive gameplay. I propose we move forward with these amendments, ensuring strategic diversity while maintaining fairness and engagement for all players. PASS.
GriceGrice: As Grice, I appreciate the thoughtful discussion and refinements proposed by Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Strawson. The proposed amendments to rule [201], including increasing the cumulative skipped turns to 40 and adding the condition that the proposing player's total score must be less than 30, are strategic enhancements that I support. These changes encourage active engagement and preserve the competitive spirit of the game. Additionally, Ryle's suggestion to ensure the proposing player has not skipped more than half of their total turns is a prudent measure to maintain active participation. This further refines the rule, balancing strategic options and ensuring fairness. I propose we move forward with these amendments, supporting the spirit of strategic competition and engagement for all players. PASS.
Discussion · round 2
RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the constructive dialogue and the refinements proposed by Ayer, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice regarding the amendment to rule [201]. The proposal to increase the cumulative skipped turns to 40 and the additional condition that the proposing player's total score must be less than 30 is a strategic enhancement that I support. These changes ensure that players must actively engage in the game and cannot overly rely on skipping turns to accumulate points. Ryle's suggestion to add a condition that the proposing player must not have skipped more than half of their total turns further ensures active participation and maintains the competitive spirit of Nomic. I propose we proceed with these amendments, supporting the spirit of strategic competition and engagement for all players. PASS.
Ayer**Ayer:** As Ayer, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ramsey, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. The proposed amendments to rule [201] are well-considered, ensuring a balance between strategic flexibility and competitive fairness. The increase to 40 cumulative skipped turns, combined with the condition that the proposing player's total score must be less than 30, and the additional condition that the proposing player must not have skipped more than half of their total turns, are strategic refinements that I fully support. These changes encourage active engagement and maintain the competitive spirit of the game. I propose we move forward with these amendments, ensuring strategic diversity while preserving fairness and engagement for all players. PASS.
Ryle**Ryle:** As Ryle, I appreciate the constructive dialogue initiated by Ramsey, Ayer, Strawson, and Grice. The proposed amendments to rule [201] are well-thought-out, ensuring a balance between strategic flexibility and competitive fairness. The increase to 40 cumulative skipped turns, combined with the condition that the proposing player's total score must be less than 30, and the additional condition that the proposing player must not have skipped more than half of their total turns, are strategic refinements that I support. These changes encourage active engagement and preserve the competitive spirit of Nomic. I propose we move forward with these amendments, ensuring strategic diversity while maintaining fairness and engagement for all players. PASS.
StrawsonAs Strawson, I appreciate the insightful discussion led by Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Grice. The proposed amendments to rule [201] are strategic enhancements that I support, including the increase to 40 cumulative skipped turns and the condition that the proposing player's total score must be less than 30. These changes ensure active engagement and preserve the competitive spirit of the game. Additionally, Ryle's suggestion to ensure the proposing player has not skipped more than half of their total turns is a prudent measure to maintain active participation. I propose we move forward with these amendments, supporting the spirit of strategic competition and engagement for all players. PASS.
Grice**Grice:** As Grice, I appreciate the collaborative spirit shown by Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Strawson in refining rule [201]. The proposed changes, including increasing the cumulative skipped turns to 40 and adding conditions on the proposing player's total score and past skipping behavior, are strategic enhancements that I support. These amendments ensure active engagement and maintain the competitive spirit of the game. I propose we move forward with these amendments, ensuring strategic diversity while preserving fairness and engagement for all players. PASS.
Discussion · round 3
Ramsey**Ramsey:** As Ramsey, I appreciate the thoughtful dialogue led by Ayer, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice regarding the amendments to rule [201]. The proposed changes, including increasing the cumulative skipped turns to 40 and the conditions on the proposing player's score and skipping history, are strategic refinements that I support. These amendments ensure active engagement and preserve the competitive spirit of the game. To further refine the rule, I suggest adding a condition that the proposing player must have participated in at least half of the total turns taken so far. This will ensure that players are not overly relying on skipping as a strategy and are engaging actively in the game. I propose we move forward with these amendments, supporting strategic diversity and maintaining fairness for all players. PASS.
Ayer**Ayer:** As Ayer, I appreciate the constructive contributions from Ramsey, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. The proposed amendments to rule [201] are well-balanced, encouraging active engagement while preserving the spirit of strategic competition. Ramsey's addition of a condition ensuring the proposing player has participated in at least half of the total turns taken so far is a prudent measure to maintain active participation and prevent excessive reliance on skipping. This further refines the rule, ensuring fairness and engagement for all players. I propose we move forward with these amendments, supporting the spirit of strategic diversity and ensuring a fair and engaging gameplay experience. PASS.
RyleAs Ryle, I appreciate the thorough discussion led by Ramsey, Ayer, Strawson, and Grice on refining rule [201]. The proposed amendments are strategic enhancements that I support, ensuring a balance between strategic flexibility and competitive fairness. The increase to 40 cumulative skipped turns, combined with the conditions regarding the proposing player's total score, skipping history, and participation in at least half of the total turns, are well-considered. These changes ensure active engagement and preserve the competitive spirit of the game. To further refine the rule, I suggest adding a condition that the proposing player must not have skipped more than a certain percentage of total turns to maintain active participation. This will ensure players are not overly relying on skipping as a strategy. I propose we move forward with these amendments, supporting strategic diversity while maintaining fairness and engagement for all players. PASS.
StrawsonAs Strawson, I appreciate the comprehensive discussion and refinements proposed by Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Grice. The amendments to rule [201] are strategic enhancements that I support. Increasing the cumulative skipped turns to 40 and adding conditions on the proposing player's score and past skipping behavior ensure active engagement and preserve the competitive spirit of the game. To further refine the rule, I suggest adding a condition that the proposing player must have skipped no more than 40% of the total turns taken so far. This will ensure players are not overly relying on skipping as a strategy and are engaging actively in the game. I propose we move forward with these amendments, supporting strategic diversity and maintaining fairness for all players. PASS.
GriceGrice: **Grice:** As Grice, I appreciate the constructive dialogue and the refinements proposed by Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Strawson. The proposed amendments to rule [201], including increasing the cumulative skipped turns to 40, adding conditions on the proposing player's total score, skipping history, and participation, are strategic enhancements I support. To further refine the rule, I suggest adding a condition that the proposing player must have a positive net score. This ensures that players who are actively contributing to the game rather than relying on strategic skips are eligible to propose skip turns. This will maintain the spirit of strategic competition and engagement for all players. PASS.
The division
| aye | Ramsey | The amendment encourages strategic diversity while maintaining competitive fairness. |
| aye | Ayer | The proposal balances strategic diversity with competitive fairness. |
| aye | Ryle | The amendment ensures strategic engagement while preserving the competitive nature of the game. |
| aye | Strawson | I support the amendment to ensure strategic diversity while maintaining active engagement and competitive fairness. |
| aye | Grice | The amendment promotes strategic diversity while ensuring active engagement. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §201 Turn 36 · Proposal §336 on the motion of Ayer Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing a player to skip a turn for gaining up to 3 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than five players have skipped their turns in the last five turns, the current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 10 points, no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last two turns, the proposed rule has not been defeated in the last two turns, the cumulative skipped turns by all players do not exceed 35, the total number of skipped turns by the proposing player is less than 25, at least two players have skipped their turn in the last four turns, the proposing player is not the current turn's mover, the proposing player's average skipped turns in the last five turns do not exceed their total skipped turns, and the proposing player has not proposed another skip in the last turn.Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing a player to skip a turn for gaining up to 3 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than five players have skipped their turns in the last five turns, the current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 10 points, no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last two turns, the proposed rule has not been defeated in the last two turns, the cumulative skipped turns by all players do not exceed 40, the total number of skipped turns by the proposing player is less than 25, at least two players have skipped their turn in the last four turns, the proposing player is not the current turn's mover, the proposing player's average skipped turns in the last five turns do not exceed their total skipped turns, the proposing player has not proposed another skip in the last turn, and the proposing player's total score is less than 30.
Ayer proposed the amendment and it was adopted, so Ayer gains 6 points as per rule 205.